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  1. I’m not sure that there were chapters with Tyrion on the Shy Maid at the point of this outline. If you look at Tyrion’s second chapter it starts with cliffhanger with Dany. It makes me think that Tyrion’s POV chapters start with him either already having arrived in Mereen or just having arrived in Mereen. Tyrion probably shows up with Young Griff and company at Mereen being sent by Illyrio to provide counsel for Dany. Tyrion’s journey with Young Griff might be encapsulated via flashback. Perhaps they first showed up in Dany’s first chapter, where she learns to ride a dragon, decides to call off her marriage to Hizdhar, and decides to go to Westeros. And the scene involving Young Griff is later substituted for the scene involving Quentyn who arrives in disguise as well. Or perhaps both envoys arrive at around the same time. Perhaps the whole fire vs mud debate we get in Barristan’s chapter was originally supposed to be Dany choosing Young Griff over Quentyn. Then the chapter shifts to Tyrion’s POV, where perhaps we get the backstory of his journeys with Young Griff through a flashback, and then Tyrion spying on Young Griff and Dany. Tyrion then gets kidnapped by Jorah and that’s when he later is brought to the Sorrows and Volantis and it’s Jorah who contracts greyscale in the Sorrows as opposed to Griff. Tyrion then gets with the Second Sons, and perhaps that’s who he ends up arriving in Westeros with. Or perhaps the whole Jorah thing was an alternate to cliffhanger with Dany, I’m not sure what the questions connote.
  2. That would be a little anticlimactic, since he seemed not at all surprised by the notion back in ACOK. Perhaps it’s a scene that was adapted by the show. Tyrion witnesses Dany and Aegon aka Young Griff perhaps. The show later alters it to Dany and Jon Snow aka Aegon.
  3. Also the disguise chosen by the Kindly Man seems awfully similar to Bloodraven's appearance in the Weirwood cave. So yes, I think there is an intentional parallel.
  4. I think you’re imagining that. Maybe you’re thinking about this line:
  5. But her response is that the Hightowers would specifically not have chosen someone from the Rogare bloodline because of their dragonlord connections. But if everyone in Lys has such connections, then why would Jon Hightower choose anyone from Lys?
  6. Then does it really matter if she was a Rogare?
  7. I'm unclear how anyone of the Rogare bloodline other than Aegon IV, Aemon, Naerys or (their) offspring would have dragonblood? If anything, if they shared the bloodlines of Larra Rogare wouldn't that be evidence that the Hightowers wouldn't have to worry about their offspring hatching a dragon?
  8. I just think that Disney has over saturated the market via Disney Plus, and the fact that they’re releasing too many movies a year. These no longer feel like special events. And then there’s the fact that many of them have been a chore to watch. I couldn’t get two shows into Secret Invasion. While it might be unfair to paint every Marvel movie/show with a broad brush, I’ve been kind of doing that. And I’m a huge comic book nerd. So if you’re losing me, you’ve probably already lost the more casual fan.
  9. I agree that Selyse is a much likelier canidate to burn Shireen than Stannis is. After all, Stannis was on the fence about burning one of Robert's bastards even though he was starting to believe Melisandre's line about waking a stone dragon and saving the realm. I don't think he would burn his own daughter simply because she might have contagious grey scale. It's much more likely that if he truly believed that he would send her to an isolated location to avoid a plague.
  10. Not necessarily. Littlefinger could never be Robin's father because it would disinherit him. I think it could reasonably be interpreted to mean that she wanted to give Littlefinger a child he could call his own.
  11. I think Stannis' story shows the influence that religion has on the story's events, doesn't it? ETA: and I suppose Cersei's story as well. Even though she's not religious herself, she is being very affected by those that are.
  12. It always felt a bit odd to me as well. There's a theory out there that the Riverlanders that were paraded in front of Eddard Stark may have been coached into exagerating what occurred to prompt the Crown into giving them military aid. But it still doesn't answer why the Riverland Lords thought they needed aid against the Westerlands if they didn't reasonably believe that Tywin was behind the raids on their lands. I guess the takeaway is that Tywin believed he had to answer Tyrion's abduction by some sort of force to show that he wasn't weak. Which I suppose fits in with his personality.
  13. I’m not suggesting he married anyone, I’m suggesting he may have impregnated Lord Dondarrion’s wife.
  14. Your reminder of Baelor's stay at Blackhaven made me think of Robb and his stay at the Crag. The stay where Robb impregnated Lady Jeyne. Valarr seemed to exhibit more Targaryen features than his father. So it's at least possible (as has been discussed before) that Lady Jena had a Targaryen bloodline of her own. Is it possible that this bloodline could have been the result of Baelor's stay in Blackhaven? I know Baelor is considered chaste and perhaps without desire for the opposite sex, but I'm not sure that's completely true. One of the theories as to why Baelor locked up his sisters, was to keep him from being tempted into having sexual relations with them. Which may imply that Baelor knew he had a desire for female companionship which he considered a weakness, that he needed to be protected from. Perhaps the Lady of Blackhaven helped nurse Baelor back to health and, like Robb did with Jeyne, Baelor "dishonored" her. Now, I'm not sure why this would lead to a marriage between the offspring of this liason and House Targaryen, unless perhaps in the year after Baelor Breakspear's birth and before Baelor the Blessed's death, the King made this match out of a sense of obligation towards his secret bastard.
  15. I think a possible explanation is that perhaps Ethan didn't have a father. We're never told about a Glover being executed by Aerys as far as I know. What we do know is that the people that were executed were all executed after their fathers arrived at King's Landing. For some reason Aerys waited for the fathers to arrive so he could execute (sacrifice?) both the father and the son.
  16. Don't particularly get that comparison. I think Cersei was a good character through the first three books. But when I say good, I mean it as an interesting well written character. Unfortunately in A Feast she became a cartoon villain. I never found that Victarion was a particulary interesting or well written character, however.
  17. Yea, it’s a jurisdictional and legal issue. So if I hit someone in the head with a baseball bat in one county, and they are taken to a hospital in another county and die at a later date, the killing happened at the location and date where I hit the guy in the head with the bat. (Assuming of course that was the cause of the person’s death). So when charges are filed, the homicide or killing, takes place where the battery occurred, and that would be the proper place to prosecute the matter, and the date of the killing would also be when the bat hit the guy’s head. So the applicable laws would be the ones that were in effect at that time.
  18. The killing takes place in the location where the injury occurred. So if the person dies at a later date, the killing occurred when and where the person received the injury he died from. In other words, if you are bringing homicide charges, the date and location of the homicide would be at the time and place where the battery occurred.
  19. The issue is that she’s a captive, she really doesn’t have a say. That doesn’t mean that she also couldn’t fall in love with one of her captors, especially one that may have nursed her back to health and treated her kindly. There’s even a syndrome that addresses this that you may have heard of.
  20. While I’m not sure about her dying on Dragonstone, I could see a possibility that Dorne quietly returned her remains to Dragonstone. As for your first point, I agree. I don’t see Aegon deciding to take it easy on Sunspear out of fear that they would try to out him as infertile. Especially if they tortured his wife to allegedly get this info. It really doesn’t make sense. It has to be something that initially made Aegon angry, but after a day to reflect, made him decide of his own accord to end the war. My guess is that Rhaenys’ fate may have been something similar to what many believe to have been Lyanna’s fate. That Rhaenys may have been captured, nursed back to health, and perhaps fell in love with her captor, ultimately having a child by said captor. And perhaps her dying wish was that Aegon end the war. Aegon would be initially furious with the idea, but after a reflection may have at least been grateful that Rhaenys found happiness at the end of her life and decided to honor her wishes. I think the clue is “Prince Nymor”. It’s an obvious call out to Marvel Comic’s Prince Namor, the Submariner. In Namor’s origin tale his mother was an Atlantean at war with the surface world who was bombing her people. She infiltrates one of her enemy’s ships only to be captured and to fall in love with her captor, giving birth to Namor. In this tale, Rhaenys’ people are the one doing the “bombing”, she is then captured by the enemy, the Dornes, and perhaps falls in love with her captor. So if I had to guess, the first Vulture King might fit the bill as Rhaenys child. Just like Namor, he vows vengeance on the people that went to war with one of his parent’s people. He also waits until Aegon’s death before he makes his first conquest. Which might be out of respect for his mother.
  21. I think it’s also possible that the Citadel just wants to hoard magic for themselves. That they don’t want it practiced outside of the Citadel. If they were the only ones who could take advantage of it, it would add to their power and influence. Which might explain the real reason that they didn’t want dragons. They didn’t control them, and they posed a threat to the Citadel. Now if the Maesters thought that they could hatch their own dragon, one under their control, their position on dragons (at least their dragon) might be different.
  22. Or, that’s the Citadel’s cover story to save face for the fact that they haven’t been able to light the candles. But it also seems to be true that at some point in history, glass candles could be lit. Which is a fact that the Citadel would undoubtably have been aware of. Which may be the real reason why they kept trying.
  23. don't underestimate the number of idiots and brainwashed in the world, on all sides.
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