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3 minutes ago, Zorral said:

This afternoon, no warning, formations of fighter jets flew over us.  The noise was deafening. I was out when this took place.  It was a strange sight: those jets, jetting over the western part of the city, seemingly following the Hudson River Tide race, followed, o so slowly it seemed in comparison, by a couple of teeny seeming, helicopters, all against a beautiful, pristine, peaceful blue sky.

I didn’t see it, but I heard the sound. Was  it a drill? Imagine listening to this every day for the past two wks not knowing if the roof over your head is going to cave in. 

45 minutes ago, Winterfell is Burning said:

They had murder Rhea because they didn't have him murder Laenor. Which, yes, he clearly did in the book.

 

How does he “clearly” murder Laenor in the books? Laenor was killed in public in a fair by Ser Qarl. Again, it was Mushroom who suggested that it was Daemon who paid Qarl to kill Laenor.

12 minutes ago, C.T. Phipps said:

Dragon Tender: 

 sounds like something you’d order off a fastfood menu

27 minutes ago, Ran said:

The marriages have not happened. Betrothals can be undone. New betrothals can be made. 

Her granddaughters’ father is probably #2 on the Green’s hit list. She may not like him but she must see and recognize that. So by association, her granddaughters are at risk. Or does she expect them to disown their father?

53 minutes ago, massoir said:

glad rhaenys had time to armour up before, minus the helmet that probably would have helped smashing through a stone floor. Nice to see meleys threading the needle though

 yeah didn’t think of that. all those rocks falling when Meleys smashed through a wall of concrete/ stone… not one seemed to land on Rhaenys naked head. I know I’m just nitpicking now… but can’t help it with that idiotic scene.

11 minutes ago, Ran said:

Next season, though, perhaps? Who knows.

I do hope so but my strong suspicion is that they will gloss over it as they did Cole’s murder of Joffrey. Maybe they can make the Shepherd or his family a casualty of Meleys destruction. This may give him a backstory for his hate and passion. But I’m not counting on it. 

5 minutes ago, DMC said:

Oh yeah it already doesn't seem like that.  More like - as Helaena discusses this episode - Aemond lusting after that which is not his.

Ah I liked that line. I like how they are portraying Halaena in general… a Cassandra like figure. But as someone previously mentioned the actress playing her looks almost the same age as Olivia Cooke. 

12 minutes ago, DMC said:

I kinda feel like the hints concerning Aemond's interest in Helaena are meant to mimic Daemon's interest in Rhaenyra, which fits the general effort of making him Daemon 2.0 and consequently his own to own desire to be so.

I hope they don’t make it a love story like Naerys and Aemon. 

10 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

In episode 6 Alicent does have a seat on the council along with Rhaenyra. There she is there as an advisor since Viserys apparently wanted this. In episode 8 she is there as representative of the king who no longer can attend - that's why she sits in his chair.

Now, all this could have meant she was running things. But as it happens, they went with Otto having secret from his daughter with his cronies. Which works just as well, perhaps even better, in light of the fact that Alicent was still loyal to her husband and had a lingering fondness/loyalty to Rhaenyra.

They all have the same goal - to get Aegon on the throne - but they are not in agreement how to do it or how far to go to accomplish it.

Okay within the same post you are contradicting yourself. If Alicent is loyal to Viserys and his wishes her “goal” would not be installing Aegon on the throne. [and all that nonsense of Viserys choosing Aegon on his deathbed is just that — utter nonsense… something the writers came up with to make Alicent more sympathetic. Or is Alicent so dumb to take the ramblings of a dying man high on milk of the poppy literally?]

And as the Vaemond fiasco in the last episode showed us Alicent was not being loyal to Viserys’ wishes when she allowed Vaemond to raise the topic of Driftmark’s succession and the legitimacy of Rhaenyra’s children in open court. There were OMG looks between Alicent, Vaemond, and Otto when Viserys walkef into court.

53 minutes ago, Ran said:

Re: Rhaenys, it's worth considering something Eve Best says in this interview with Sean T. Collins (of The Boiled Leather podcast and Feast-Dance combined reading):

A lot of people have read her as now having made the choice to be on the side of the Blacks... but things make a lot more sense, in a way, if she has in fact only acted for the freedom of herself and her dragon, and then chooses to essentially remain neutral by leaving the Greens to live and departing King's Landing, presumably to Driftmark to reunite with the Sea Snake and consult with him.

The trailer for next episode adds some circumstancial support for this

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since she says the Greens are coming for Rhaenyra, not for "us". She does not see herself, at that time, as being on Rhaenyra's side I think.

 

From a narrative stand point, this gives her decision not to kill the Green faction some color. She’s not decided on who she supports and it’s not her war. But then if she thought a bit deeper, her family (through her granddaughters) is nominally aligned with the Blacks and her grand daughters’ lives could be at risk by association. And does she really expect Corlys to sit out the war if he recovers?

Again, this gives more context to her decision not to kill the Greens but her busting through like that and in the process killing all those small folk made no sense, when she could have flown her dragon out through one of the normal exits… I’m sure there’s one in the dragonpit. This was just another random spectacle or badass moment simply for the purpose of having one. Condal or Sapochnik stated as much.

4 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

Up until episode 8 Otto would have been very sure Alicent would go along with their plans. Keeping her out of it also makes sense, though, since she is a woman, the wife of the king, and Rhaenyra's old friend. Otto only tells his daughter what she needs to know, anyway, so it isn't surprising that he would keep this from her, too.

He is the Hand, after all, the guy who actually rules. The queen just stands there and nods gravely.

But that’s not the Alicent projected until Ep 8. She was part of the small council in the Ep and it seemed to me the rest of the council was taking her direction, at least in the council chamber. She definitely had a voice. And in the last episode, had she not gone along, the coup would not have happened. You said it yourself, there would have been no coup if Alicent didn’t go along with the conspiracy. so what was Otto’s plan B?

6 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

My thought was Alicent locked away while Otto spoke as Hand claiming she was grieving for her husband.  Otto is competent.  He could have taken out both Cole and Westerling and put his people in place while he declared “Viserys’ deathbed desire for Aegon to be King.”

If they had been planning without Alicent… I suspect that’s how that would have played out.  He altered his plans when he learned Alicent would support Aegon as king.

I agree. Otto should have had a contingency plan if there was even a slight chance that Alicent would not join them in the coup. I mean otherwise the man comes across as a complete moron. His life’s work and ambitions all thrown away because his daughter that morning decided to fight for her friend’s rights.

This is why Alicent not knowing about the coup in advance doesn’t make much sense. How was Otto going to implement this coup if Alicent disagreed with him? What would have been his contingency plan? Lock his daughter and the King’s mother in her chambers? 

47 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

And to be clear - Rhaenys doesn't kill those people. Her dragon does, simply by breaking through the boards and moving herself. That cannot be helped in context. It is very ugly, of course, but still different from intentional dragon attacks.

I doubt the small folk are going to care if the killing of 100s was intentional or not.

6 minutes ago, ShadowKitteh said:

Perhaps it’s your settings? 

I doubt it, but will check.

49 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

Aemond basically consider usurping Aegon's place. Why should he care about toddlers?

And in context: They discuss the succession of King Viserys I, not the succession of Aegon II. Aegon's heir might be his son Jaehaerys if he names his heir, but Viserys' heir could easily enough be his second son rather than his grandson by his eldest son if people feel like it. Just as Baelon succeeded Aemon as heir ... and Jaehaerys apparently considered naming Vaegon his heir rather than a grandchild or great-grandchild.

Aemond actually says “I’m next in line”. That does not imply he’s usurping Aegon’s rights but his son’s. 

22 minutes ago, Corvinus85 said:

While you have a good point about the High Septon, who exactly would have riled up the mob and against whom, since a good swipe across the dais from Meleys would have left no credible witnesses.

Or she could have simply asked the High Septon to step away from the others. I’m sure he’d have no trouble obliging her.

Criston Cole is turning out to be the only true villain in this show with little to no redeeming quality. His motives are a mess. Maybe they’ll show him nudge Aemond into full blown madness. 

1 hour ago, Lord of Brewtown said:

And yeah - the armor/wardrobe change struck me as odd.  I'm going to stop and throw on armor (or a dragon-riding suit?) while I'm in a hurry to get to my dragon/get free?   

Just so obviously a 'we need her to look/be badass' play.    I'll admit, she did look cool; but, this is just over-the-top.  

So I watched the scene again when Ser Erryk picks her up… no armor then. maybe she carries an armor suit on Meleys, who knows. Maybe, I’ll enjoy these shows better if I stop caring about continuity and logical progression in scenes. 

Just now, C.T. Phipps said:

Except, of course, that the children are...children.

I suspect Aemond, correctly, believes that he'd assume the throne if his brother died now. You could also note Criston Cole seems to be thinking, "Wait, is he asking if it's okay to murder his brother?"

Which is another consequence of this usurpation.

As I said above, he would be considered regent until his nephews came of age.  

3 minutes ago, El Guapo said:

Not really Aemond is a grown man it not surprising he would be considered heir at this point over a toddler.

He would be considered regent to the heir until he came of age. Otherwise, he is usurping his nephews’ rights. 

4 minutes ago, C.T. Phipps said:

I don't think it's necessarily a mistake. Again, part of this is making it clear the rules of suggestions are more like the Pirate's code.

It's not actually remotely a set of laws but suggestions.

Which was true in the Anarchy as well.

King Stephen utterly ignored the actual rules and people mostly went along with it because he lied and said the Church was backing him up (because his brother was the Archbishop).

But in this case, there is no dispute, right? By male primogeniture, Aegon’s son is next in line after his father. Aemond should have no claim as long as Aegon’s sons live. 

21 minutes ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

And how is he Aegon's heir if Aegon already has a son?

Again, another inconsistency. Don’t they remember their script or do they write scenes independent of one another. 

If only writers cared more about logic and continuity in the story and stopped trying to make badass moments. Sapochnik states that they wanted a penultimate scene and decided that a dragon let lose is the worst thing that could happen in a coronation. So, they don’t care if that scene makes sense or there’s any logic to it, they just want spectacle and a badass moment for Rhaenys. 

18 minutes ago, Chad Vader said:

The Cargyll twins story is shaping up very nicely. Wasnt a fan of Rhaenys and Meleys at the end. Didnt make much sense to me. She killed lots of smallfolk and when she had the Greens cowering she has her dragon yell at them.

Yes, Rhaenys having all the Greens at her mercy and knowing their treachery, it doesn’t make much sense that she leaves them alive (especially since she had no qualms killing all those plebs). Are they going to show her regretting that decision. Condal (in Inside the Ep) calls it a complex choice, one that viewers may not agree with. He got that right. Viewers won’t agree with it coz it doesn’t make much sense. He also says Rhaenys’ sympathy for the mother in Alicent, stays her hand or her rather her dragon. But that doesn’t make sense either. She’s wise enough to know that her decision not to toast them will lead to civil war and many mothers losing their kids.

And why is she in all armor. Is that how she left her room?

The lighting again is off. Everything is so dark.