Wow, I Never Noticed That V.3 Eyes Wide Shut Edition

[jet199]

The last fortnight of their journey had been a misery. Sansa blamed Arya and told her that it should have been Nymeria who died. And Arya was lost after she heard what had happened to her butcher’s boy. Sansa cried herself to sleep, Arya brooded silently all day long, and Eddard Stark dreamed of a frozen hell reserved for the Starks of Winterfell.

Poor Ned, so upset that he dreams he is going to ice hell for killing Lady, or maybe not.

He looked south, and saw the great blue-green rush of the Trident. He saw his father pleading with the king, his face etched with grief. He saw Sansa crying herself to sleep at night, and he saw Arya watching in silence and holding her secrets hard in her heart...

Finally, he looked north. He saw the Wall shining like blue crystal, and his bastard brother Jon sleeping alone in a cold bed, his skin growing pale and hard as the memory of all warmth fled from him. And he looked past the Wall, past endless forests cloaked in snow, past the frozen shore and the great blue-white rivers of ice and the dead plains where nothing grew or lived. North and north and north he looked, to the curtain of light at the end of the world, and then beyond that curtain. He looked deep into the heart of winter, and then he cried out, afraid, and the heat of his tears burned on his cheeks

Ned is having his Stark hell dreams at the same time that Bran is having his first three eyed crow dream and sees the heart of winter. Bran is looking for his family in his dreams and Ned is reacting to this in his own dreams. Ned is tuned into old gods magic, although he doesn't realise it, which is why he is able to speak to his kids in dreams when he dies.

[Gnivil]

The last fortnight of their journey had been a misery. Sansa blamed Arya and told her that it should have been Nymeria who died. And Arya was lost after she heard what had happened to her butcher’s boy. Sansa cried herself to sleep, Arya brooded silently all day long, and Eddard Stark dreamed of a frozen hell reserved for the Starks of Winterfell.

Poor Ned, so upset that he dreams he is going to ice hell for killing Lady, or maybe not.

He looked south, and saw the great blue-green rush of the Trident. He saw his father pleading with the king, his face etched with grief. He saw Sansa crying herself to sleep at night, and he saw Arya watching in silence and holding her secrets hard in her heart...

Finally, he looked north. He saw the Wall shining like blue crystal, and his bastard brother Jon sleeping alone in a cold bed, his skin growing pale and hard as the memory of all warmth fled from him. And he looked past the Wall, past endless forests cloaked in snow, past the frozen shore and the great blue-white rivers of ice and the dead plains where nothing grew or lived. North and north and north he looked, to the curtain of light at the end of the world, and then beyond that curtain. He looked deep into the heart of winter, and then he cried out, afraid, and the heat of his tears burned on his cheeks

Ned is having his Stark hell dreams at the same time that Bran is having his first three eyed crow dream and sees the heart of winter. Bran is looking for his family in his dreams and Ned is reacting to this in his own dreams. Ned is tuned into old gods magic, although he doesn't realise it, which is why he is able to speak to his kids in dreams when he dies.

I thought it was agreed that Bran woke up the moment Lady was killed?

[Rooseman]

I just realized, that Ghost was possibly warged by Bloodraven when he led Jon to the box with the dragonglass.

- The earth above it was loose, so it has been recently placed

- Ghost just didn't listen to Jon, similar to when Melisandre interferes with their connection

“Ghost,” he called, “to me. Now” When the direwolf raised his head, his eyes glowed red and baleful, and water streamed down from his jaws like slaver. There was something fierce and terrible about him in that instant. And then he was off, bounding past Jon, racing through the trees. “Ghost, no, stay,” he shouted, but the wolf paid no heed. The lean white shape was swallowed by the dark,

The first bolded part is really weird. What was fierce and terrible about Ghost, and why? Why then?

The second bolded part reminds me of Bloodraven, who's also lean and white and embraced the darkness.

The whole thing of Ghost leading Jon there is very un-animal-like. How did Ghost know that there would be a box containing dragonglass daggers which would be hugely important later on, and why would he think it was so important the he just didn't listen to Jon? Best answer I can come up with is, that it wasn't Ghost who knew about the value of those dragonglass weapons.

[Cubicz]

I just realized, that Ghost was possibly warged by Bloodraven when he led Jon to the box with the dragonglass.

- The earth above it was loose, so it has been recently placed

- Ghost just didn't listen to Jon, similar to when Melisandre interferes with their connection

The first bolded part is really weird. What was fierce and terrible about Ghost, and why? Why then?

The second bolded part reminds me of Bloodraven, who's also lean and white and embraced the darkness.

The whole thing of Ghost leading Jon there is very un-animal-like. How did Ghost know that there would be a box containing dragonglass daggers which would be hugely important later on, and why would he think it was so important the he just didn't listen to Jon? Best answer I can come up with is, that it wasn't Ghost who knew about the value of those dragonglass weapons.

I dont dismiss the possibility, but there's a slippery slope with Bloodraven. Lots can be attributed to him if he's as powerful as to warg remotely. From the direwolf mother being killed by the Stag south of the wall, to Quaithe. It makes him a little too godlike for my taste

[coil]

I dont dismiss the possibility, but there's a slippery slope with Bloodraven. Lots can be attributed to him if he's as powerful as to warg remotely. From the direwolf mother being killed by the Stag south of the wall, to Quaithe. It makes him a little too godlike for my taste

Well I've seen people who believed him to have warged Balerion the black cat and even Bowen Marsh! >_>

[asile]

Until recently, I thought Daenerys was spelled Danaerys - like Dan -Aerys. I thought it was neat that she was named after her father that way, until I realized it actually wasn't spelled like that.

[apovsic]

Well I've seen people who believed him to have warged Balerion the black cat and even Bowen Marsh! >_>

BR warged everybody. It is known.

[Mithras]

I dont dismiss the possibility, but there's a slippery slope with Bloodraven. Lots can be attributed to him if he's as powerful as to warg remotely. From the direwolf mother being killed by the Stag south of the wall, to Quaithe. It makes him a little too godlike for my taste

Well BR is the closest thing to a god so I dont find that awkward.

“I thought the greenseers were the wizards of the children,” Bran said. “The singers, I mean.”

“In a sense. Those you call the children of the forest have eyes as golden as the sun, but once in a great while one is born amongst them with eyes as red as blood, or green as the moss on a tree in the heart of the forest. By these signs do the gods mark those they have chosen to receive the gift. The chosen ones are not robust, and their quick years upon the earth are few, for every song must have its balance. But once inside the wood they linger long indeed. A thousand eyes, a hundred skins, wisdom deep as the roots of ancient trees. Greenseers.”

Bran did not understand, so he asked the Reeds. “Do you like to read books, Bran?” Jojen asked him.

“A reader lives a thousand lives before he dies,” said Jojen. “The man who never reads lives only one. The singers of the forest had no books. No ink, no parchment, no written language. Instead they had the trees, and the weirwoods above all. When they died, they went into the wood, into leaf and limb and root, and the trees remembered. All their songs and spells, their histories and prayers, everything they knew about this world. Maesters will tell you that the weirwoods are sacred to the old gods. The singers believe they are the old gods. When singers die they become part of that godhood.”

A greenseer is wed to the weirwood trees. This connection works both ways as we know. So a greenseer is already a demigod in a sense.

Red eyes, Jon realized, but not like Melisandre’s. He had a weirwood’s eyes. Red eyes, red mouth, white fur. Blood and bone, like a heart tree. He belongs to the old gods, this one. And he alone of all the direwolves was white.

Replace old gods with the last greenseer and there you will see.

[Turin Turambar1]

The last fortnight of their journey had been a misery. Sansa blamed Arya and told her that it should have been Nymeria who died. And Arya was lost after she heard what had happened to her butcher’s boy. Sansa cried herself to sleep, Arya brooded silently all day long, and Eddard Stark dreamed of a frozen hell reserved for the Starks of Winterfell.

Poor Ned, so upset that he dreams he is going to ice hell for killing Lady, or maybe not.

He looked south, and saw the great blue-green rush of the Trident. He saw his father pleading with the king, his face etched with grief. He saw Sansa crying herself to sleep at night, and he saw Arya watching in silence and holding her secrets hard in her heart...

Finally, he looked north. He saw the Wall shining like blue crystal, and his bastard brother Jon sleeping alone in a cold bed, his skin growing pale and hard as the memory of all warmth fled from him. And he looked past the Wall, past endless forests cloaked in snow, past the frozen shore and the great blue-white rivers of ice and the dead plains where nothing grew or lived. North and north and north he looked, to the curtain of light at the end of the world, and then beyond that curtain. He looked deep into the heart of winter, and then he cried out, afraid, and the heat of his tears burned on his cheeks

Ned is having his Stark hell dreams at the same time that Bran is having his first three eyed crow dream and sees the heart of winter. Bran is looking for his family in his dreams and Ned is reacting to this in his own dreams. Ned is tuned into old gods magic, although he doesn't realise it, which is why he is able to speak to his kids in dreams when he dies.

Or maybe *crackpot* when Ned died his soul whent to The Lands of Always Winter ( Ice hell reserved for the Starks of WInterfell ) and became a WW like all Starks when they die . Thats way Bran was so shocked that he doesn't remeber what he saw there ( he saw his Father . Ice Ned :devil: )

[jet199]

Or maybe *crackpot* when Ned died his soul whent to The Lands of Always Winter ( Ice hell reserved for the Starks of WInterfell ) and became a WW like all Starks when they die . Thats way Bran was so shocked that he doesn't remeber what he saw there ( he saw his Father . Ice Ned :devil: )

That would be a good twist. Ned definitely has access to the weirwood web after death though as he talks to Arya in the gods wood and Jon dreams of him as a tree.

[The Crow's Third Eye]

That would be a good twist. Ned definitely has access to the weirwood web after death though as he talks to Arya in the gods wood and Jon dreams of him as a tree.

When do these things happen?

[jet199]

When do these things happen?

Arya in Harrenhall

In the godswood she found her broomstick sword where she had left it, and carried it to the heart tree. There she knelt. Red leaves rustled. Red eyes peered inside her. The eyes of the gods. “Tell me what to do, you gods,” she prayed.

For a long moment there was no sound but the wind and the water and the creak of leaf and limb. And then, far far off, beyond the godswood and the haunted towers and the immense stone walls of Harrenhal, from somewhere out in the world, came the long lonely howl of a wolf. Gooseprickles rose on Arya’s skin, and for an instant she felt dizzy. Then, so faintly, it seemed as if she heard her father’s voice. “When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives,” he said.

“But there is no pack,” she whispered to the weirwood. Bran and Rickon were dead, the Lannisters had Sansa, Jon had gone to the Wall. “I’m not even me now, I’m Nan.”

“You are Arya of Winterfell, daughter of the north. You told me you could be strong. You have the wolf blood in you.”

“The wolf blood.” Arya remembered now. “I’ll be as strong as Robb. I said I would.”

Jon when he returns to the wall

When the dreams took him, he found himself back home once more, splashing in the hot pools beneath a huge white weirwood that had his father’s face.

[XSarellaX]

When Alys Karstark meets Jon for the first time in ADWD, she tells him her father wrote her promising to find a southron lord she could marry... Now realise this could have been a huge euphemism on Rickard's part...

Why do I get the feeling he didn't tell her he was promising her hand to the man (any man!) that captured Jaime Lannister?

Poor Alys.. imagine if her father went back to Karhold with Vargo Hoat and tried to explain how he picked him. She would spend the rest of her life with a husband that called her "Alith".

[K-26dp]

When do these things happen?

Jon's dream is in A Clash of Kings, Chapter 53. Just before he and Quorin's ranging party first see the wildling host.

[cocoalover1956]

When Alys Karstark meets Jon for the first time in ADWD, she tells him her father wrote her promising to find a southron lord she could marry... Now realise this could have been a huge euphemism on Rickard's part...

Why do I get the feeling he didn't tell her he was promising her hand to the man (any man!) that captured Jaime Lannister?

Poor Alys.. imagine if her father went back to Karhold with Vargo Hoat and tried to explain how he picked him. She would spend the rest of her life with a husband that called her "Alith".

My gods, I totally missed that. Strange how the death of her father prevented that fate.

[The Crow's Third Eye]

Tywin treats Tyrion very much as if he expects him to be the next Kevan. Both Tyrion and Kevan are pushed back somewhat in the sucession and so dont stand to inherit the Rock (taking it from Tywins PoV regarding Jamie here) and subsequently have no lands without marriage. However, Tywin saw fit to reward each of them with a bride and her lands and/or men/incomes in return for good service; Kevan was Tywin's right hand and got the marriage to Dorna Swyft, while Tyrion did manage his time as acting Hand of the King well and was rewarded by the substantially largwr prize of Sansa Stark, Winterfell and the North

[Gnivil]

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but just now on a re-read, I noticed that as Jon Arryn died, Cersei and the children were on their way to Casterly Rock with Tywin, Cersei at the very least heavily suspected Jon Arryn knew about the twincest, perhaps she was on her way to CR in case he revealed it to Robert so she would have protection?

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but just now on a re-read, I noticed that as Jon Arryn died, Cersei and the children were on their way to Casterly Rock with Tywin, Cersei at the very least heavily suspected Jon Arryn knew about the twincest, perhaps she was on her way to CR in case he revealed it to Robert so she would have protection?

Wouldn't that be a big coincidence? Tywin had been at KL for the tournament of Joffs nameday, I thought she was just traveling with him. If Cersei was in anyway involved, she might have chosen the moment of Jons death, and made sure she wasn't nearby, so she couldn't be blamed.

[By the Old Gods Not theNew]

I never noticed the color scheme Joffery wore for the first court session of his reign:

Ser Barristan Selmy, resplendent in white plate, led them in. Ser Arys Oakheart escorted the queen, while Ser Boros Blount walked beside Joffrey, so six of the Kingsguard were now in the hall, all the White Swords save Jaime Lannister alone. Her prince-no, her king now!-took the steps of the Iron Throne two at a time, while his mother was seated with the council. Joff wore plush black velvets slashed with crimson, a shimmering cloth-of-gold cape with a high collar, and on his head a golden crown crusted with rubies and black diamonds. ~ Sansa AGoT

An early nod foreshadowing Cersei's obsession w/ Rhaegar that we learn of in AFoC.

[Dany Girl]

I never noticed the color scheme Joffery wore for the first court session of his reign:

Ser Barristan Selmy, resplendent in white plate, led them in. Ser Arys Oakheart escorted the queen, while Ser Boros Blount walked beside Joffrey, so six of the Kingsguard were now in the hall, all the White Swords save Jaime Lannister alone. Her prince-no, her king now!-took the steps of the Iron Throne two at a time, while his mother was seated with the council. Joff wore plush black velvets slashed with crimson, a shimmering cloth-of-gold cape with a high collar, and on his head a golden crown crusted with rubies and black diamonds. ~ Sansa AGoT

An early nod foreshadowing Cersei's obsession w/ Rhaegar that we learn of in AFoC.

He's also in crimson and gold, Lannister colors, instead of Baratheon colors as he should be wearing. He clearly, at least subconsciously, considers himself more Lannister than Baratheon.