Wow, I Never Noticed That V.3 Eyes Wide Shut Edition

[RoamingRonin]

Dany's reunion with Drogon is basically her wedding to Drogo in reverse: She says "no" to him over and over in the fighting pit, then they ride together across the dothraki sea, then they feast on horsemeat, then they meet a khalasar.

And when she *mounts* him, it's almost like sex ("Yes, now, do it, take me!"). Great observation!

[Claudio]

The Rat Cock and the Freys, duh.

1. Both brake the guest right.

2. The Freys have weasely appearance

3. Both have no problem to kinslayer.

4. Walter Frey seems he never going to die. Almost like the Rat Cook.

[RumHam]

The Rat Cock and the Freys, duh.

Giggle.

[Dany Girl]

I'm sure this has been caught before, but re-reading Game of Thrones, near the end Sansa looks at Janos Slynt, and wishes someone would chop his head off. Makes her treatment of Jon look worse.

What "treatment of Jon"? There is NO indication that she was in any way not nice to Jon. They just aren't close. The oily person we have any idea that she remotely was rude to was Arya, but in most confrontations in the book Arya starts it or gives it back equally. They're sisters, sisters fight, it's part of nature. But there's no indication that she wasn't nice to Jon even if she didn't search him out to be her best buddy.

People really need to stop vilifying Sansa for stuff she doesn't do or for behaving like a normal teenage girl. Sansa is a very realistic example of a teenage girl.

[The Fresh PtwP]

Rereading ACoK, I noticed something fun. In Cat's POV a few of the men she rides with dismount "stiffly" or "rigidly". I'm pretty sure she's still got it lol.

[Suzanna Stormborn]

Giggle.

lol

[HexMachina]

Giggle.

I'm so pleased it wasnt just me :lol:

[DrunkSister]

Rereading ACoK, I noticed something fun. In Cat's POV a few of the men she rides with dismount "stiffly" or "rigidly". I'm pretty sure she's still got it lol.

:lmao:

[Lykos]

Since we´re being silly.

Jon in Clash, Chapter 23

... he made water into a frozen bush, his piss steaming in the cold air and melting the ice wherever it fell.

Foreshadowing Ygritte - or the Night´s King´s white lady? Or another hint that Jon is Arthur Dayne´s son?

Jaime in Storm, Chapter 67

I learned from Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning, who could have slain all five of you with his left hand while he was taking a piss with the right.

[The Fresh PtwP]

:lmao:

She travels ALOT in that book too.

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

Ser Shadrich, the knight who tells Brienne that he knows she's looking for Sansa Stark, and confides to her that he's looking for Sansa as well, since Varys has promised lots of gold to the person who would return Sansa, actually meets her later on when Littlefinger introduces him to her at the Gates of the Moon.

[HexMachina]

Ser Shadrich, the knight who tells Brienne that he knows she's looking for Sansa Stark, and confides to her that he's looking for Sansa as well, since Varys has promised lots of gold to the person who would return Sansa, actually meets her later on when Littlefinger introduces him to her at the Gates of the Moon.

You only just noticed that?! :o

[JLE]

Of the new ships commissioned by Cersei, the "Lord Tywin" can "dip twice as many oars as 'King Robert's Hammer' "

- puns on "oars" and "whores"
- King Robert's WHAT?
- The secret tunnel from the Tower of the Hand to the whorehouse, constructed for "a previous Hand", whose identity is pretty much already known...

Like ship, like man...

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

You only just noticed that?! :o

Either I just noticed it, or I had noticed it during my very first read (I haven't reread Brienne's chapters in quite some time) and forgotten it. Shadrich is mentioned only once in the Sansa chapter though, so I guess I never truly noticed

[JLE]

In ADWD Ser Barristan notes, that some kings had the kingsguard only himself, while others extended their protection to their wives and heirs and some kings even gave kingsguard protection to their bastards.

I realised today, that the last part probably meant Aegon the Unworthy, whose Great Bastards grew up in the Red Keep and had swords training from the Master of Arms of the Keep.

Run the theory a little closer to the present day: a King (Aerys) who had just one Kingsguard (Jaime) for himself, his queen, his daughter-in-law and his known grandchildren. The king's son (Rhaegar) rode into his last battle with THREE Kingsguards, out of six - and surely it was not Aerys who stationed the other three at the Tower of Joy, guarding his son's mistress... so why did Rhaegar send three Kingsguards to guard his mistress... It looks like Crown Princes can extend Kingsguard protection to their bastards, too :-)

[Suzanna Stormborn]

Run the theory a little closer to the present day: a King (Aerys) who had just one Kingsguard (Jaime) for himself, his queen, his daughter-in-law and his known grandchildren. The king's son (Rhaegar) rode into his last battle with THREE Kingsguards, out of six - and surely it was not Aerys who stationed the other three at the Tower of Joy, guarding his son's mistress... so why did Rhaegar send three Kingsguards to guard his mistress... It looks like Crown Princes can extend Kingsguard protection to their bastards, too :-)

Rhaegar and Lyanna were properly married, Jon wouldnt be a bastard, Lyanna and Jon were Rhaegars legit family and very much deserving of a few kingsguard members.

[Arbor Golden]

I'm ashamed, as an NFL fan for not noticing grrm's fanness to creep into the novels. It took the wiki for the scales to be removed from my eyes. A giant killing a a knight whose sigil is a star is clearly a reference to the NY Giants-Dallas Cowboys rivalry. And that one ruler from wherever was who won an unprecedented string of victories only to be torn apart by giants is definitely a reference to the NYG defeating the undefeated New England Patriots in the super bowl back in 07. Missed all of that. He's from Jersey, I should've known.

[SpringKing]

As a Giants fan since the Y.A. Tittle era, I can only say :bowdown:

edit: It gets even better because Bill Belichek is symbolized by the books title:

the fourth and final volume of The Life of the Triarch Belicho, a famous Volantene patriot whose unbroken succession of conquests and triumphs ended rather abruptly when he was eaten by giants.

[Mithras]

The tales of Old Nan about giants resemble the mountain clans, pointing to possible blood relation like Umbers.

The giant was the last to notice them. He had been asleep, curled up by the fire, but something woke him—the child’s cry, the sound of snow crunching beneath black boots, a sudden indrawn breath. When he stirred it was as if a boulder had come to life. He heaved himself into a sitting position with a snort, pawing at his eyes with hands as big as hams to rub the sleep away … until he saw Iron Emmett, his sword shining in his hand. Roaring, he came leaping to his feet, and one of those huge hands closed around a maul and jerked it up.

First to make the ascent were the clan chiefs Flint and Norrey, clad in fur and iron. The Norrey looked like some old fox—wrinkled and slight of build, but sly-eyed and spry. Torghen Flint was half a head shorter but must weigh twice as much—a stout gruff man with gnarled, red-knuckled hands as big as hams, leaning heavily on a blackthorn cane as he limped across the ice.

His father’s mother’s mother had been a Flint of the mountains. Old Nan once said that it was her blood in him that made Bran such a fool for climbing before his fall.

“The map is not the land, my father often said. Men have lived in the high valleys and mountain meadows for thousands of years, ruled by their clan chiefs. Petty lords, you would call them, though they do not use such titles amongst themselves. Clan champions fight with huge two-handed greatswords, while the common men sling stones and batter one another with staffs of mountain ash. A quarrelsome folk, it must be said. When they are not fighting one another, they tend their herds, fish the Bay of Ice, and breed the hardiest mounts you’ll ever ride.”

In Old Nan’s stories, giants were outsized men who lived in colossal castles, fought with huge swords, and walked about in boots a boy could hide in. These were something else, more bearlike than human, and as wooly as the mammoths they rode. Seated, it was hard to say how big they truly were. Ten feet tall maybe, or twelve, Jon thought. Maybe fourteen, but no taller. Their sloping chests might have passed for those of men, but their arms hung down too far, and their lower torsos looked half again as wide as their upper. Their legs were shorter than their arms, but very thick, and they wore no boots at all; their feet were broad splayed things, hard and horny and black.

The small, sure-footed garrons of the hill clans were faring better, the scouts said, but the clansmen dared not press too far ahead or the whole host would come apart.

Before them marched the clansmen from the hills; chiefs and champions astride shaggy garrons, their hirsute fighters trotting beside them, clad in furs and boiled leather and old mail.

Their garrons were sure-footed beasts that ate less than palfreys, and much less than the big destriers, and the men who rode them were at home in the snow. Many of the wolves donned curious footwear. Bear-paws,they called them, queer elongated things made with bent wood and leather strips. Lashed onto the bottoms of their boots, the things somehow allowed them to walk on top of the snow without breaking through the crust and sinking down to their thighs.

Some had bear-paws for their horses too, and the shaggy little garrons wore them as easily as other mounts wore iron horseshoes …

I can’t resist noticing the similarities between mountain clans (especially Flints) and the giants. The giants liked to live in high mountains like Frostfangs and Thenns because no trees means no spying from the CotF. Old Nan’s stories of giants tell that they live in colossal castles (read mountains), fight with huge swords (clan champions like to use huge two handed greatswords). Jon notes that the real giants are more bearlike with their furs and shaggy mammoths. Mountain clans ride shaggy garrons and use bear-paws to walk better in snow. Their most common weapon is a staff made of mountain ash. Such mauls seem to be the favorite weapon of giants as well.

In short, Umbers are not the only people with giantsblood. Funny how Roose noted Umbers, mountain clans, Skagos and Boltons still keep the first night tradition. Is this the only thing they share or all of these people have the blood of some ancient races too?

[tze]

I constantly overlooked Clydas's apparent albinism.

When Tyrion quotes The Seven-Pointed Star, he claims Hugor had a strange number of sons:

So the Mother made her fertile, and the Crone foretold that she would bear the king four-and-forty mighty sons.

The Faith considers the number 7 holy, but 44 is not a multiple of 7. So either the Faith's numerology is out of whack, or Tyrion is misquoting Hugor's story. You'd think multiples of 7 would be particularly easy to remember . . . unless this is a subtle hint that Tyrion is bad at math? That would paint a number of things in Tyrion's arc in a very different perspective, actually.

Xaro's background machinations in ACOK took me a while to suss out. He wants Dany to marry him so he can get a dragon, so obviously it's not to his benefit that the Pureborn provide Dany with any military assistance that will take her out of his sphere of influence. Dany liquidates the "gifts" (that Xaro has been getting people to bring her) for bribes, but Xaro's the one telling her who among the Pureborn to bribe and how much to give. And shockingly, none of the people Xaro tells her to bribe end up helping her, which is precisely to Xaro's benefit. Xaro undoubtedly had a backroom deal with the three Pureborn he had Dany bribe (he steers Dany to them with the understanding that they won't help her, because he gains absolutely nothing from them helping her), and chances are excellent that a portion of those bribes ended up in Xaro's pocket as part of that. Which makes sense, given that Dany clearly expected Xaro to feed, lodge, and direct her through the Qartheen political arena for free, and so much of the Qartheen plotline dealt with reiterating the "you can't get something for nothing" lesson that Dany failed to learn from Mirri Maz Durr.

Only three Kingsguard accompanied Robert to Winterfell, which was really odd, given that protecting the royal family is the Kingsguard's primary job, and the entire royal family came on that trip. It makes sense in retrospect: not only is the presence of "three Kingsguard" a subtle hint toward Jon's hidden backstory, but the fact that the majority of the Kingsguard remained behind makes sense when you realize that the majority of the actual royal family remained behind (since Cersei's children are bastards, Robert's actual heirs are Stannis and Renly).

Notice what Dany's wearing during the assassination attempt at the Qartheen docks:

If the Milk Men thought her such a savage, she would dress the part for them. When she went to the stables, she wore faded sandsilk pants and woven grass sandals. Her small breasts moved freely beneath a painted Dothraki vest, and a curved dagger hung from her medallion belt.

Dany, who once inwardly derided Viserys for wearing a weapon he couldn't use in order to make himself look fierce . . . chooses to wear a weapon she doesn't know how to use in order to make herself look fierce. I overlooked this for the longest time, because at no point before, during, or after the assassination attempt does Dany remember that she has an actual weapon on her person.