Are Stannis Fans conservatives?

[Nictarion]

Nah Stannis sent the ravens first confirming the bastardy of Joffrey and then seeing that Renly and Loras convinced the Reach lords and Storm lords to join his cause, because he thought he would make a great king.

I would have to look it up, I really thought Renly made his claim first.

[Antler's Fury]

Read my post, I mentioned the north and iron islands. And obviously the westerlands weren't an option either, considering Tywin's grandson was on the throne. I was referring to the majority of lords that would be willing to support a candidate for the throne.

Still doesn't work. By not participating, the Vale and Dorne were accepting the status quo, and endorsing Joffrey. Dorne even marries his sister. So the Reach is still outnumbered by the Vale, Dorne, Westerlands, and Crownlands.

[Severus Bolton]

No. This thread has been done before and it's always a stealth attack on stannis and his fans. I love stannis a lot and it has nothing to do with my real life political views.(I'm def not conservative)

Also how is stannis the most devout? He's an atheist.(same as me) he says he stopped believing in gods when his parents died. And that all justice and goodness in the world comes from men not gods.

Its quite interesting that he stopped believing in gods. This means he will do whatever it takes,

even switch to the Great other to achieve his goals.

[Florina Laufeyson]

Renly didn't even know Stannis intended to rebel though, didn't Renly make his claim before Stannis' sent out his ravens?

Wouldnt Renly figure that Stannis would definitely make a (rightful) grab? Pretty sure he did figure that. Renly just wanted to be king. Come on brah.

[Nictarion]

Still doesn't work. By not participating, the Vale and Dorne were accepting the status quo, and endorsing Joffrey. Dorne even marries his sister. So the Reach is still outnumbered by the Vale, Dorne, Westerlands, and Crownlands.

Take Dorne out of the equation, we know what their plans were. But I don't want to keep going back and forth on this, perhaps majority was the wrong word. But certainly some of the most powerful lords were prepared to support Renly.

[Antler's Fury]

Take Dorne out of the equation, we know what their plans were. But I don't want to keep going back and forth on this, perhaps majority was the wrong word. But certainly some of the most powerful lords were prepared to support Renly.

Powerful lords supported Joffrey too. A popular king is not necessarily the right king, let alone a good king.

[Sansa_Stark]

Wouldnt Renly figure that Stannis would definitely make a (rightful) grab? Pretty sure he did figure that. Renly just wanted to be king. Come on brah.

Renly probably figured Stannis wouldn't amass to much support seeing as how he actually barely got any support. Renly is LP of the Stormlands and got that Tyrell alliance.

Renly was okay with The Joff being king under Eddard's wardship or something. I think he did want to be king, but I also think he wanted to live as his motives.

And Renly thought Stannis might swear fealty to him, at least he acted so in Clash.

[Stan the Man Baratheon]

Powerful lords supported Joffrey too. A popular king is not necessarily the right king, let alone a good king.

Exactly.

[Nictarion]

Wouldnt Renly figure that Stannis would definitely make a (rightful) grab? Pretty sure he did figure that. Renly just wanted to be king. Come on brah.

Of course he did. But did he know Stannis was prepared to overthrow his "nephew"? Renly didn't know of the incest when he makes him claim right? That's why I was asking about the ravens, I can't remember the timeline.

[Addam of Hull]

Of course he did. But did he know Stannis was prepared to overthrow his "nephew"? Renly didn't know of the incest when he makes him claim right? That's why I was asking about the ravens, I can't remember the timeline.

He didn't. Renly's claim is known AGOT. During Cat's last chapter, she's surprised to hear that Renly had crowned himself in Highgarden because she thought it would be Stannis who crowned himself. It's part of the debate between the various Lords when they discuss who to declare for: Renly is the one who crowned himself, but Robb points out that there is no scenario where Renly is Robert's Heir. Nobody knows what Stannis is up to. And then, it's during ACOK when we see Stannis drafting his letter during a Davos chapter. Since Ned never told Renly, Renly doesn't know about the incest until Stannis sends him the letter by Raven, which proclaims Joffrey a bastard and makes his claim widely known.

[Nictarion]

He didn't. Renly's claim is known AGOT. During Cat's last chapter, she's surprised to hear that Renly had crowned himself in Highgarden because she thought it would be Stannis who crowned himself. It's part of the debate between the various Lords when they discuss who to declare for: Renly is the one who crowned himself, but Robb points out that there is no scenario where Renly is Robert's Heir. Nobody knows what Stannis is up to. And then, it's during ACOK when we see Stannis drafting his letter during a Davos chapter. Since Ned never told Renly, Renly doesn't know about the incest until Stannis sends him the letter by Raven, which proclaims Joffrey a bastard and makes his claim widely known.

Thanks, that's what I thought.

[Michael Herman]

Not necessarily, several counter arguments:

1. He takes counsel from a low born smuggler, how many lords would do this? He treat's Davos with as much respect as any other person, (admittedly not a great deal) and he trusts a bastard as his castellan, which all seems fairly progressive. Remember, real world political ideas don't apply, and you really just have to support the character who would seem to make the best king.

2. Iron laws, I don't believe in them, valuing human compassion, empathy and real human needs more than what someone has written down somewhere. But in this regard, Stannis may still be superior to other contenders, he believes that the law should be fair to all and that it shouldn't be bent by those in power for convenience.

Considerably left wing (maybe not socialist, but close enough as makes no matter), yet i still think Stannis would make a decent king.

[The Drunkard]

Its quite interesting that he stopped believing in gods. This means he will do whatever it takes,

even switch to the Great other to achieve his goals.

:drunk:

Stannis pointed north. "There is where I'll find the enemy I was born to fight."

Arguably his main goal is defeating the Others. As funny as Stannis joining the Others to unite the realm to stop the Others may be, it doesn't make a lick of sense.

[Stan the Man Baratheon]

:drunk:

Stannis pointed north. "There is where I'll find the enemy I was born to fight."

Arguably his main goal is defeating the Others. As funny as Stannis joining the Others to unite the realm to stop the Others may be, it doesn't make a lick of sense.

Agreed. Btw i love your signature

[fuem]

Laws should be made of iron NOT pudding.

[Bearson]

His views on prostitution is quite conservative.

Not if you're familiar with the objections to prostitution by Scandinavian Socialist politicians. While GRRM is an American author, his frame of reference is very obviously not just limited to only a US historical/social perspective.

[Lady Meera Reed]

I'm as liberal as they come and if I could vote for Stannis in my country's elections, I would.

:agree:

[The Marquis de Leech]

Not if you're familiar with the objections to prostitution by Scandinavian Socialist politicians. While GRRM is an American author, his frame of reference is very obviously not just limited to only a US historical/social perspective.

Objections to prostitution tend to come in two flavours: those that see the prostitutes as the villains, spreading disease and debauchery, and those that see the prostitutes as the victims, reduced to demeaning themselves in order to survive. The issue is which one covers Stannis; objection to brothels, and as much as I'm fond of Stannis, I don't think it's the latter.

[Bearson]

Objections to prostitution tend to come in two flavours: those that see the prostitutes as the villains, spreading disease and debauchery, and those that see the prostitutes as the victims, reduced to demeaning themselves in order to survive. The issue is which one covers Stannis; objection to brothels, and as much as I'm fond of Stannis, I don't think it's the latter.

Granted, you're right. There are some fine distinctions between the two, even though both consider prostitutes as social/moral inferiors who need the guiding hand of their social or moral betters to set them on the right path. I'll hand it to Stannis, at least he doesn't talk down to people. :laugh:

[Mikkel]

POLL

Are you a Stannis-is-the-rightful-king person? And if so do you tend towards conservatives? Or, are you anti-Stannis, and do you tend towards liberalism?

Stannis is the rightful King. Probably also the best option in the current situation. I certainly do not tend towards the conservative, not even by Danish standards. So that'll be a point against your theory I think.