Kyrion Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Is Kevan popular or something? Why do people want him back so bad? They want Kevan just so he can die at the epilogue like in the books. Also, be a foil for Cersei's madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seneti Posted January 31, 2015 Author Share Posted January 31, 2015 Is Kevan popular or something? Why do people want him back so bad? Because he's one of the few completely sane members of the Lannister's family tree and because of what happened in the epilogue of ADWD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Drunkard Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 I wonder if that note Stannis is passing Jon is the "his name is STARK" one (or the equivalent). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mos Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 I want Kevan back just to avoid a plot hole in which Tywin's brother just disappears, but other than that... eh. If he goes down the same route as he does in the books, I can't see how his death would be of much impact. I think it would be better if they switch his and Pycelle's deaths around, with Pycelle finding Kevan's body before being shot. I believe having Pycelle be the one dying while learning of Varys master plan would be a better way to go for the unsullied. I mean, even if he do actually accomplice something this season, like getting the kingdoms back on their feet, I still can't see how we would really care about him as a character that appears just to die a couple of episodes later. It's not exactly like he's Oberyn or Ned. Kevan was a good character in the books. Not really standout, but what he did in ADwD was good. But in the show so far he's just a cranky old fart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas Stark Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 I want Kevan back just to avoid a plot hole in which Tywin's brother just disappears, but other than that... eh. If he goes down the same route as he does in the books, I can't see how his death would be of much impact. I think it would be better if they switch his and Pycelle's deaths around, with Pycelle finding Kevan's body before being shot. I believe having Pycelle be the one dying while learning of Varys master plan would be a better way to go for the unsullied. I mean, even if he do actually accomplice something this season, like getting the kingdoms back on their feet, I still can't see how we would really care about him as a character that appears just to die a couple of episodes later. It's not exactly like he's Oberyn or Ned. Kevan was a good character in the books. Not really standout, but what he did in ADwD was good. But in the show so far he's just a cranky old fart. If there is no Aegon, then no 'reveal' and the audience is going to know already this season that Varys is supporting Dany, then there is no reason for that whole scene in the show, unless I'm missing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mos Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 I'm still a little hopefull that there's more to Varys' plan. Either that Aegon is still in (which I doubt) or that Trystane is somehow taking over the role somehow. Or something else. I don't know. But if there's no epilogue murders on the show, I really don't understand why they're bringing Kevan back. Maybe it is for Ian Gelder's sweet face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biosnake20 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Varys could just be telling Tyrion this stuff to get him to go to Dany like Illryio did in ADWD then they can reveal Aegon while Kevan is getting the speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konradsmith Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Varys ain't a one trick pony. I'm sure he has something slimier planned, even without fAegon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyrion Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Varys could just be telling Tyrion this stuff to get him to go to Dany like Illryio did in ADWD then they can reveal Aegon while Kevan is getting the speech. The thing with that is, Even though Tyrion wasnt told specifically about Aegon from Illyrio/Varys, he found out about him on the course of his trip, so it happened shortly after the scene he was told he would go for Dany in Meereen. However in the show Tyrion doesnt run into the shy maid, he seems to run right into Jorah so the discovery about Aegon doesnt happen in the same timeframe, and David and Dan said Vary's plans will be revealed this season. How will we find out about Aegon without the Shymaid? Now, I can see this happening later in a different contex. Where Aegon comes later to Meereen, where Dany is gone in the Dothraki Sea and Tyrion who got into a high position in Meereen or somehow or another gets to Aegon, and then tells Aegon to go for Westeros instead if they want to delay the Aegon Storyline. But who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konradsmith Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 I thought I might share my mum's commentary on the trailer: On Tyrion: "Looks like he's moved on to whiskey." On Dany: "Didn't she say a line exactly like that in last year's trailer?" On the riders at 0:37: "That looks like the Brotherhood." On the shot of the chaos in Daznak's: "Pause there, that looks like it might have to do with what's happening to Wrinkle-Forehead [Jorah]."(Of course I didn't pause there 'cause I don't want to spoil the scene when it airs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 As much of a field day as a I head reading through 40 pages of posts and dissecting the trailer. ;) To reiterate, a high quality version of the trailer can be found here:https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153118978113933&pnref=story This is what I could gather from it sorted by location (WARNING: MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD!): Kings Landing:Cersei saying to Jaime inside the sept That little monster is out there somewhere drawing breath.Cersei leaving Jamie in the Sept next to Tywins bodyMargaery and Tommen marryingCersei in what looks like a dungeon/vaultCersei watching on as a box opens that holds a necklace in a viper statue.Olenna saying: Theyll never even find whats left of you.The High Sparrow saying: Strip away the gold, knock down the statues and this is what remains.Sparrows walking down steps and smashing barrelsMargaery clinging to someone (possibly Olenna or Tommen, given the way she looks at the camera)The Vale:a caravan of riders and one carriageLittlefinger saying to Sansa: There is no justice in this world. Not unless we make it. Avenge them.Sansa in a bathtub looking troubled.Beyond the Wall:a small boat approaching a Wildling villageWildlings walking into the waterRattleshirt leading a band of WildlingsSomeone with an axe approaching a wooden gate. The gate opens.Jon calling out With me! and a group of Wildlings rushing into battle Jon battlingsomeone in the water attacking a person in the boatsa pyre set up inside Castle Black before an audience of Crows, Baratheon men and WildlingsMelisandre lighting a pyre with someone on it.Melisandre undressingDorne:Bronn drawing a swordskirmish between a Dornish guard and someone in an open fielda Dornish rider at a beach being cut down by BronnDornish riders surrounding two men (most likely Jaime and Bronn)Nymeria whipping a barrel away to reveal a mans head surrounded by scorpions as Ellaria, Tyene and Obara look ontwo figures hushing through the Water Gardens (possibly Jaime and Bronn)Jaime in a Dornish buildingEllaria facing a row of spears Meereen:masked people marchingthe masked people walking through the streets, while the Unsullied are in a skirmish with someoneOne of the masked people dead next to a wall with kill the masters written on itDany saying: Im not going to stop the wheel. Im going to break it.Contemplative shot of DanyDany being escorted down some steps by her UnsulliedDany and Missandei being defended by Jorah, Daario and the Unsullied against the men with the masks inside Daznaks pitJorah inside a fighting pit, getting ready to fight his opponent.Rhaegal breathing fire into the cameraMissandei kissing Grey Wormthe statue of the Harpy being ripped down from the top of the pyramidFlashback:young Cersei and Melara in the woodsyoung Cersei cutting her finger to produce some bloodSomewhere in Essos (most likely Pentos and Volantis): Tyrion falling out of the crateVarys saying: I believe that men of talent will have a part to play in the war to come.Tyrion saying: I will never sit on the Iron throne. Varys replying: You could help another climb those steps and take that seat.Tyrion drinking wine.Tyrion saying: I dont think Im ready for what I deserve.Varys saying: The seven kingdoms needs a ruler loved by millions with a powerful army and the right family name. Tyrion replying: Good luck finding him. Varys answering: Who said anything about him.Varys and Tyrion in disguise walking through a wooden building.Tyrion in front of a very attractive girl, potentially a prostitute.two men fighting in front of a crowd of MastersBraavos:Arya knocking on the doors of the House of Black and WhiteArya picking up Needle and looking at it, contemplatingNorth:Theon with his typical deer-in-the-headlights Reek lookSomeone walking by a strategy map with Bolton statues and other Y-shaped statues on them (potentially at the Wall, at Winterfell or wherever Yasha is)Unknown:Riders in the woodsBrienne saying nothing is more hateful than failing to protect the one you loveBrienne and Pod riding by what looks like the Inn at the Crossroadsa crow landing on a corpsI am going to put a summary of this, plus the link to the trailer in the OP. Much of what we saw in the trailer we have already been able to deduce from leaked photos and videos as well as casting calls. Still, trailer looks very good and I am definitely hyped now. ---- Updating the OP now. As always, look to the stars.Nice summary, thanks :)In the Dany shot where she is being escorted down the stairs, she is wearing the Pit dress, and Barristan and Grey Worm are also present. Suggests they are still alive at the time of the Pit episode, contrary to what many believed. They are both (well, Barristan at least. Grey Worm could be one of the helmeted Unsullied I suppose) absent from the shot where Dany and co. Are surrounded, so I'm not sure where they will disappear to. Still think there is a chance they might be used as hostages myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelborn Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Barristan the Badass is too underused. If it's Tyrion who gets the lines "Over here. Try me" in the pit, I will rage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konradsmith Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 ^More likely Daario. That'll probably make you rage more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelborn Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 ^More likely Daario. That'll probably make you rage more. NOOOOOOOO :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcasinoroyale Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 And Varys's plan obviously can't be to put Gendry on the Iron Throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biosnake20 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Maybe instead of Tyrion deducing that Young Griff is Aegon we will get Jamie deducing that Trystane is Aegon. That could be an interesting dynamic because he would see the son of a man he betrayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oriolesmagic Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 I'm trying to figure out the Wall storyline based on what we've seen so far. It's a tough one to pick out because it's obviously going to be EXTREMELY different from the books. I have no idea what's going on with Tormund and Rattleshirt. Episode 1 we have some idea of based on the leaked script summary which looks to be extremely accurate but probably (and hopefully) incomplete.https://www.facebook.com/Stannisswagatheon/posts/814624378577731Ep1: A few scenes with Jon interacting with Stannis, Melisandre and Davos. The end of the episode is Jon receiving a letter from Stannis giving him Winterfell and declaring him a Stark if he chooses. (I think that's the scene we're seeing in the pictures released today)Ep 2: Jon declines Stannis' offer and says his place is with the Night's Watch. Jon is elected Lord Commander.Ep 3-6:Mance is offered to the Lord of Light by Melisandre as evidenced by the trailer. King's blood sacrifice for Stannis' Battle for Winterfell? (Maybe Mance actually does die in the show and never goes to Winterfell? Who knows) Stannis' army marches for Winterfell or Deepwood Motte, if it's in. Davos goes...somewhere else. No idea where. Have to think Janos Slynt bites the dust somewhere in these episodes. But maybe not until after Hardhome? Melisandre seduces Jon after Stannis leaves. Maester Aemon dies and has a funeral Ep 7:Jon leaves for HardhomeSam and Gilly leave for Oldtown Ep 8: Hardhome (Have no idea what's gonna go down here, I really hope we don't have the Ides of Marsh at Hardhome but who knows.)Ep 9-10: No clue. Pink Letter? I hope we get some scenes between Sam and Shireen or Sam and Davos. Both would be really entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard of the Rainking Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 I gotta say, Sansa looks way better without all those feathers on her costume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waho Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Is Kevan popular or something? Why do people want him back so bad? He's a great character, especially in the last two books. A moderate Lannister, who lost his son in the War of the Five King. And he offers a great counterpoint to Cersei's follies. Plus, the actor playing him in the first two seasons was cool and seemed terribly underused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckfield Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 So Grey Worm is dead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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