Khal Drogo vs Edmure Tully in full plate armor

[John Doe]

Drogo wins.

[H.P.]

Drogo would win, even if Drogo didn't have a weapon. He would dance around Edmure until Edmure fell, then he'd get on top him and break his neck.

[Ser Arthur Hightower]

t's not about it being heavy (it has to be light enough to march in). it's about it being unwieldy.

1.) it block some of your vision, a plate helmet Rob's a person of his peripheral vision.

2.) you cant jump out of the way of attack as well as you normally would. as a knight would primarily relies on his shield to stop attack's

(the op never said edmure get's a shield.)

3.) knight begin training as a squire at around 12. drogo was being trained for war at a far younger age, and thus has league's of more experience on edmure.

the mountain had practical unstoppable defense and Oberyn made him look like a bitch.

skill,speed and experience> better armor.

Actually it doesn't need to be light enough to march it, knights don't march, and they didn't wear armour whilst on the move. Before Crecy Edward III made his knights wear their armour knight and day due to fear of a surprise attack, this wasn't very popular because plate armour gets very hot, that this is unpopular shows that plate armour wasn't worn all of the time. That is because it did need to be, effective, functioning armies (*cough* Blackwater *cough* Oxcross) weren't taken by surprise every 5 minutes.

Armour is not unwieldy, knights are an effective fighting force on foot, they can move their arms freely, can move quickly and are quite agile, even ignoring the excess gear modern soldiers dump before actual combat, they still have a heavier load.

Knights didn't rely on shields, not after plate armour was introduced, it is rather silly that the highborn still bother with shields in westeros, after all it is not as if you cover yourself with neigh impenetrable metal plates, and then put a piece of oak on your arm to protect you. Knights were trained more than adequately to parry attacks with a sword.

Training before age 10 or so is not really that important, real world cultures didn't generally bother training young children because it doesn't matter that much, most of the important learning and improvements in combat skills comes in the adolescence years. Even if your statement that Drogo would be better than Edmure because of this is true, kids still have some basic sword training at a much younger age: Bran and Tommen as examples.

Why did you capitalise "rob"? I was so confused I though you were talking about Robb or Robert for a while. I mentioned previously that knights didn't generally wear a visor down in actual melee combat, the visor was mostly for protection from arrow storms.

Make whatever statements you will, technology does influence the outcome of battles.

[Ser Arthur Hightower]

Drogo could easily slip his guard and slash at the backs of his knees, or he could just use the sword and smash Edmure across the head which will most likely knock him off balance or concuss him.

And how is he supposed to do all of that without getting cut?

Actually it won't knock him off balance or concuss him, it's a sword, not a mace or a rock, hitting someone wearing plate armour with a sword is like hitting a bicycle helmet with a wooden ruler.

[Berkilak]

Ego and badassery are no match for armour, unfortunately for Drogo.

[TheonGreyjoy]

Edmure would win easily. what would Drogo do vs armour? People keep telling Drogo would wait for Edmure to tire from wearing plate, but Edmure could just stand still until when Drogo attack with his arakh. He wouldn't need to care where it hit and then just slice him up.

Edmure would just have to be on the defense like Barristan. Then it would be a certain win

[Urien the Ragged]

Barristan dispatched Khraz rather easily, but Barristan is the greatest knight that ever lived. And Khraz was a slave, maybe put there by Drogo himself. Drogo would have easily avoided every slash.

Barristan, even at 70 and wearing armor, was still almost as fast as Khraz. If that tells you anything about him.

[TheonGreyjoy]

Barristan dispatched Khraz rather easily, but Barristan is the greatest knight that ever lived. And Khraz was a slave, maybe put there by Drogo himself. Drogo would have easily avoided every slash.

Barristan, even at 70 and wearing armor, was still almost as fast as Khraz. If that tells you anything about him.

And Edmure is just a farmer boy?

We don't know about his skills, but he was a lord paramount oldest son. So we can assume he would have been given the best training available.

Funny you tell about Barristan bec he also tell anything can happened in a battle, even the greatest knight can slip, make mistakes etc. Edmure could afford to make many mistakes and Drogo could not make even one minor then he would be dead meat.

[mdw4950]

these kind of fights are impossible to predict. not only because of the armor but because they also have completely different fighting styles due to this.

for the people bringing up bronn vs vardis - bronn was still wearing armor, just not heavy armor. vardis was also kind of an idiot. when it became apparent that bronn wasnt going to fight 'with honor' he still kept chasing him around swinging wildly. he fell right into bronns trap because he was a knight of the vale and bronn was a lowly sell sword. im not saying vardis wins this fight but he could have given himself a much better chance. drogo doesnt seem like the kind of guy whod have the mindset of let me just run around for a couple minutes then do small, quick strikes before i can land a killing blow.

for the people bringing up oberyn vs the mountain - oberyn also had light armor on and a small buckler. he also was using a spear which is one of the few weapons i dont really remember the dothraki using. same idea though, drogo doesnt strike me as the kind of fighter who would try to keep his distance, poke and prod until he found a way to strike the perfect area on edmures armor.

with that said, we have been given absolutely no evidence that edmure is a good fighter. obviously hes good compared to the general population being highborn, but hes likely very average compared to knights and noble houses. weve never seen him fight but hes always portrayed as not being too bright.

the best fight we can compare it to is jorah vs qotho (probably butchered that spelling). jorah is likely 10x the fighter than edmure is first off and qotho probably isnt that far off from drogo. nonetheless we saw qotho pretty much just charge strait in. he managed to be too fast and knock down jorah quickly. i cant remember if the blow he gave jorah in the hip was a lucky shot or if he knew to attack there, but that move still proved to be his downfall. i think edmure might actually have an advantage by being a less skilled fighter. its all the armor vs no armor, impossible to predict battle situation. without being as disciplined, all edmure has to do is catch drogo with one lucky stab.

in terms of skill its a landslide for drogo. the x factor is, and always will be, the armor. against a guy like edmure im still giving drogo the win more often than not but this is the definition of 'having a punchers chance.' drogo is playing with one life where edmure essentially has a gameshark. if drogo rushes in then all edmure has to do is stick out his damn sword in fear and it could be all over. if drogo is smarter about it then drogo wins.

[H.P.]

People keep telling Drogo would wait for Edmure to tire from wearing plate, but Edmure could just stand still until when Drogo attack with his arakh.

Fair enough.

But when Edmure decides to strike, Drogo will catch Edmure's wrist and twist the sword from his arm. Then he will remove Edmure's helmet. Then he'll smash his fucking head, like this!

[Laughing Storm Reborn]

Drogo is a more skilled warrior for sure, but using armour without training would screw up his style of fighting and give edmure an even bigger chance of winning...

Without armour drogo is the better warrior, both with it edmure has a big chance of winning if he fights smart

[Nictarion]

Hey don't put any more years on ol Barry than he already has. He's 63, not 70.

[TheonGreyjoy]

Fair enough.

But when Edmure decides to strike, Drogo will catch Edmure's wrist and twist the sword from his arm. Then he will remove Edmure's helmet. Then he'll smash his fucking head, like this!

Drogo would be extremely lucky and skilled to make such manouvre without being hit.

Armour would makes the world of difference on such fight unless Edmure would be a major rookie-

[Trigger Warning]

Edmure.

He could just stand there and wait for an opening, or grapple and use his rondel dagger if it comes to it.

[H.P.]

Drogo would be extremely lucky and skilled to make such manouvre without being hit.

Armour would makes the world of difference on such fight unless Edmure would be a major rookie-

Extremely skilled is Drogo's middle name!

[Jankmaster]

Edmure probably has good training from the local Riverrun Master at arms being the son of a highborn lord, and I don't doubt Armor would make a huge difference in this fight. People talk about the Dorthraki supposedly being the Mongols but the Mongols were extremely advanced in their military prowess, the Dorthraki just seem primitive.

[Jankmaster]

Maybe Edmure could also use a bow and just shoot the Khal in the head.... Only reason he missed setting his dad's boat aflame was grief if I remember correctly..

[Wmarshal]

Extremely skilled is Drogo's middle name!

Not really, the only time we see him fight is against other dothraki, not once are we told he was the greatest warrior of all time, and that is wht he has to be to be that quick.

[TheonGreyjoy]

Extremely skilled is Drogo's middle name!

Even how skilled you are, it will be almost impossible to go so close to the longsword without being hit.

[Nictarion]

The way some around here talk about armor you'd think Hot Pie could beat Drogo wearing it.