Good Guy Garlan Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 "This one heard the Astapori scratching at the walls last night, the little scribe said as she was washing Danys back. Irri and Jhiqui exchanged a look. No one was scratching, said Jhiqui. Scratching how could they scratch?""With their hands, said Missandei. The bricks are old and crumbling. They are trying to claw their way into the city. This would take them many years, said Irri. The walls are very thick. This is known. It is known, agreed Jhiqui. I dream of them as well. Dany took Missandeis hand. The camp is a good half-mile from the city, my sweetling. No one was scratching at the walls. Your Grace knows best, said Missandei.I don't think that's a coincidence, given that this bit was on the previous Dany chapter:"Yet you escaped, the Shavepate said. How is that? The old man answered. I am by trade a brickmaker, as my father and his father were before me. My grandfather built our house up against the city walls. It was an easy thing to work loose a few bricks every night. When I told my friends, they helped me shore up the tunnel so it would not collapse. We all agreed that it might be good to have our own way out."Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobOsevens Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Sorry Im at work and drawing a blakn could I have some more context? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 Missandei says she heard the Astapori refugees clawing at the walls of Meereen at night. Irri and Jiqui look at each other like WTF. Dany says it was nothing, but in a previous chapter we saw some people who escaped from Astapor by removing the bricks from the walls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobOsevens Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I understood that just don't get what you are going for here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Dirk Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I always thought this was the dragons digging below the pyramid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 I don't know, the whole thing seems a bit...ominous to me, but I can't put my finger on why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errant Bard Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 She's hearing the dragons digging in the walls of the room they are locked in, which happens to be below where Missandei sleeps, but since she's afraid of the boogeyman the astapori, she believes it's them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Creighton Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I never understood how Missy would here anyone at the walls, her chambers are on Dany's floor which is 800 feet above ground level.The Dragons are locked in one of the pits below ground level.One thought I had was that it was Drogon, but why not just land on the huge balcony or the top of the pyramid? Not to mention if Drogon wanted through a wall, the wall would be gone. Viserion made a cave in those bricks.I always thought it may have alluded to the city being infested both literally and metaphorically. Nobody else has ever heard the scratching. Could be Martin is playing up the fact that she is still a child and scared and affraid the slavers will get them or maybe something is trying to get into them. But really there are better ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 If it was the dragons, what would be the purpose? They already escaped anyway :dunno: It could be that the pyramid have some hidden tunnels like the Red Keep, and they have their own net of spies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 The dragons were my first thought, but one would assume Missandei is smart/perceptive enough to know the dragons are making the noiseI'm thinking that maybe someone within the city (the Sons of the Harpy? Reznak?) is secretly digging tunnels to let the Yunkaii in or to escape in the event of an emergency. And since I think the Shavepate is going to close the city gates to Barry and the Unsullied, I think those tunnels might come in handy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertRivers Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I thought it was the Mereen master of whispers doing their work, but I like the dragon idea better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shagwell Snow Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I've thought about it also but didn't get anywhere with it.best I've heard is what jonconsredbeard just said. I always took it as a warning that there's a lot more to missendei than meets the eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 i think the Great Pyramid has secret passages, similar to the Red Keep. This explains hearing the strange sounds (its not the Dragons, the pyramid is huge, Danyis at the top, the dragons at the bottom) and also how Skahaz comes and goes unseen after the coup.There really isnt anything else Missandei could conceivably hear, other than sounds in or around Dany's chambers.Although, a final thought is that Drogon could have ben perched on top of the pyramid, but I imagine someone wouod have notoced that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowfood's Daughter Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I always thought this was the dragons digging below the pyramid. ^^^this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 ^^^this...from 800ft away? At least? That's some...supernatural hearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyrhex Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Thoughts? Forshadowing for Martin's way to get rid of the Meereen and freedmen anchors for Dany - The Aastapori refugees cause the spreading of the Pale Mare in Meereen, leaving Dany with few followers left by the time the Dothraki god-queen returns with her generic horde of eastern savages, mainly the Unsullied (who are totaly not slave soldiers, they merely choose to live the rest of thier lives in an army barracks and eat and drink sense-numbing drugs three times a day, worship the slave-soldier goddess, etc). With ~150,000 freed slaves, at best ~30-35,000 of whom are willing to fight (including the Unsullied, and not including any of her losses so far), Dany's trip to Westeros is not a real possibility without making her look like a total asshole for leaving most to die like she did with Astapor. No anchors? No problems. Dany can now move on from tutorial mode and unto the main questline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bironic Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 ...from 800ft away? At least? That's some...supernatural hearing. After all she is a faceless woman. And they're badass you know? It's either the Red Keep analogy (secret tunnels used by spies etc) or the dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 After all she is a faceless woman. And they're badass you know? It's either the Red Keep analogy (secret tunnels used by spies etc) or the dragons. :ack: That has to be one of the worst theories I've seen that a surprising number of people have taken seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangover of the Morning Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 The pyramid must have a complicated system of ventilating shafts. Could just be the wind howling in the air vents and making and odd noise (but why mention it?) or Shavepate's toung-less little harpies climbing through them and collecting information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 The thing that stood out for me was that the scratching passage directly followed the passage where Daenerys visits the Astapori camp. There they were calling her mother (like the final HOTU vision that finally sucked her in before Drogon blasted em) and Daenerys was helpless to help her adopted children there in the camp. But then Missandei heard the scratching. I think the author was suggesting that while Daenerys was stumblin and bumblin trying to help a bunch of helpless adopted children Daenerys had locked her true children in a dungeon. Remember who you are Daenerys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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