Magnar of Skagos Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 One of the plus sides of having a boring, monotonous job is it lets your mind wander. So many new ideas to include on my next draft of my novel. Haven't been this excited about writing all year long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Yay. Done the trimming. Now to let it sit for a week or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnar of Skagos Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Yay. Done the trimming. Now to let it sit for a week or so. Jeez, you're like a machine. :P I should really sit down and focus more. Reading through this thread tells me I'm really not working as much as I should haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrist Simon Steele Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 My last manuscript was 63k, and I am pretty sure that was the reason I had almost zero success querying. So if you're trying to go the trad route through an agent, I wouldn't recommend trying with 60k. For small presses or self-pub, sure. I think you're right. There are probably some things I could expand. Really 10,000 doesn't feel horrible. I mean it's a vampire story--I can do something I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 OK. Submitted. Fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I've had a pretty long story in my head for a little over a year now, but I'm still developing my skills as a writer and I don't think I'm "good" enough to write it yet. In fact I know that I'm not. But the longer I go developing the story in my head, the harder it is to avoid putting it to paper. I'm wondering now if I should just work on something else until I'm ready to do the story I have in mind justice, or write it now and then rewrite it as necessary over the next few years. If anybody whose been writing for a while has some insight into this kind of thing any advice would be much appreciated. Get it down now. Revision is a part of writing, but you can't revise if you don't have a story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebenstone Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Winter's Discord, my YA fantasy, was originally pitched at 99k. First agent likened it to a shorter work and requested a slimmed down rewrite and came it at about 83k. Got a revise and resubmit asking for a bigger book and rewrote it up back up to 130k. That got me my agent. The sequel went from 80k to 144k to 136k to 131k. My other fantasy project went from 95k to 117k. Waiting on betas for a polish draft on that one soon because I want to get that out to publishers soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Phipps Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 I'm pleased to say ESOTERRORISM Is now available in paperback form. http://www.amazon.com/Esoterrorism-Secret-Files-Red-Room/dp/1941987559/ Its taken awhile to become available but I am pleased to say it is. Next: AUDIO BOOK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Phipps Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Winter's Discord, my YA fantasy, was originally pitched at 99k. First agent likened it to a shorter work and requested a slimmed down rewrite and came it at about 83k. Got a revise and resubmit asking for a bigger book and rewrote it up back up to 130k. That got me my agent. The sequel went from 80k to 144k to 136k to 131k. My other fantasy project went from 95k to 117k. Waiting on betas for a polish draft on that one soon because I want to get that out to publishers soon. I had a similar experience with The Rules of Supervillainy. They said it was too large for a superhero book. My next guy said to split it in half. Then the guy who published it said to split it in half but then expand the two halves into something roughly 75% the size of the original. What a world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrackerNeil Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 My last manuscript was 63k, and I am pretty sure that was the reason I had almost zero success querying. So if you're trying to go the trad route through an agent, I wouldn't recommend trying with 60k. For small presses or self-pub, sure. I signed with an agent on a manuscript about that size, but the first thing she requested was that the manuscript be longer. Of course, that was the agent who later dumped me via email so, OK, bad example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Am currently having the fun of stewing over potential holes in my submission (of the "will they care about X thing I noticed on my latest re-read?" variety). But really at this point, no news is good news. I need a distraction... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Phipps Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 I've got a Q&A sesssion with my publishers I think some of you might like. It talks about Esoterrorism and my upcoming book Wraith knight. http://www.ragnarokpub.com/#!QA-CT-Phipps-Author-of-Esoterrorism-and-Wraith-Knight/caet/55819f020cf27a6b745383c4 It also involves Wolverine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBaelish Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 So I've had an idea for a story recently, sort of like a mix between GoT's world and a Haloesque Sci-Fi story. So it would have Thrones' gritty fantasy world, but instead of magic, you have high tech groups of "warlocks"/"witches". Could anybody here give me titles of similar stories? Give me something to go of of so I can take it in a semi-original direction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceChampion Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I haven't read it, but maybe Roger Zelazny's Amber series? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Phipps Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 So I've had an idea for a story recently, sort of like a mix between GoT's world and a Haloesque Sci-Fi story. So it would have Thrones' gritty fantasy world, but instead of magic, you have high tech groups of "warlocks"/"witches". Could anybody here give me titles of similar stories? Give me something to go of of so I can take it in a semi-original direction? :) Dune would be a good inspiration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamjm Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I haven't read it, but maybe Roger Zelazny's Amber series? Amber doesn't really have any Science Fiction elements in it, unlike Zelazny's [i]Lord of Light[/i] which uses the 'sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic' concept. Julian May's [i]Saga of the Exiles[/i] is another one that has a mix of Space Opera and Epic Fantasy elements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Agrippa Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Reading some old star wars books to get a handle character development. I don't mind George's writing style but he puts a lot into his writing and it can be some what heavy handed and hand holdy (like R+L=J in GOT) and I don't like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBaelish Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Thanks for the suggestions guys/gals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First of My Name Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Reading some old star wars books to get a handle character development. I don't mind George's writing style but he puts a lot into his writing and it can be some what heavy handed and hand holdy (like R+L=J in GOT) and I don't like that.George Lucas didn't write any of the Star Wars books. The novelization of Episode IV has his name on it but was ghost-written by Alan Dean Foster.I've read many SW books and they might not be the best source for learning how to develop characters. Because each movie novelization (and many many many of the Expanded Universe books) were written by different authors, you tend to get different interpretations and sides of the same characters. It's not always consistent. A series written by a single author might prove more insightful in this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Reading some old star wars books to get a handle character development. I don't mind George's writing style but he puts a lot into his writing and it can be some what heavy handed and hand holdy (like R+L=J in GOT) and I don't like that. Try Shakespeare instead. Different medium (plays vs books), but he's the most famous writer in the English language for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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