TheDrunkenDornishman Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Seeing as mead is made from honey, which of course requires honeybees, where are the windings getting a supply of honey and/or bees needed for Tormund to be Mead-King of Ruddy Hall?Is it just from their raids into the Gift? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Seeing as mead is made from honey, which of course requires honeybees, where are the windings getting a supply of honey and/or bees needed for Tormund to be Mead-King of Ruddy Hall?Is it just from their raids into the Gift?No. The Others got 'em. There's a whole swarm of ice bees ready to provide close support for the ice dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey_beein this article is a map showing where honeybees live on Earthos... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 In cold climates, honey bees stop flying when the temperature drops below about 10 °C (50 °F) and crowd into the central area of the hive to form a "winter cluster". The worker bees huddle around the queen bee at the center of the cluster, shivering to keep the center between 27 °C (81 °F) at the start of winter (during the broodless period) and 34 °C (93 °F) once the queen resumes laying. The worker bees rotate through the cluster from the outside to the inside so that no bee gets too cold. The outside edges of the cluster stay at about 89 °C (4648 °F). The colder the weather is outside, the more compact the cluster becomes. During winter, they consume their stored honey to produce body heat. The amount of honey consumed during the winter is a function of winter length and severity, but ranges in temperate climates from 15 to 50 kg (30 to 100 pounds" Wikipedia about how bees survive winter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 It seems I can't even read Wikipedia, without noticing ASOIAF connections. .. GRRM how you do this?"The bee was an emblem of Potnia, theMinoan-Mycenaean "Mistress", also referred to as "The Pure Mother Bee".[1]Her priestesses received the name of "Melissa" ("bee").[2] In addition, priestesses worshipping Artemis andDemeter were called "Bees".[3]Appearing in tomb decorations, Mycenaean tholos tombs were shaped as beehives. The Delphic priestess is often referred to as a bee, and Pindarnotes that she remained "the Delphic bee" long after Apollo had usurped the ancient oracle and shrine. "The Delphic priestess in historical times chewed a laurel leaf," Harrison noted, "but when she was a Bee surely she must have sought her inspiration in the honeycomb" really Mel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDrunkenDornishman Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey_beein this article is a map showing where honeybees live on Earthos... I didn't realize honeybees lived that far north. Thanks for the info :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Not a small question, but why do you think The Ned's six buds in his dream about the Tower of Joy were but shadows while the faces of the three men of the Kingsguard "burned clear?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 @R_T: This was in the current Timmet thread, and I wanted to make sure you saw it... Interesting, thanks! I'll have to look into it a bit better when I have the time, but for now.. I was pointed to this post after expressing a dislike of not knowing where Nettles was after the Dance. You may not consider this theory credible anymore but I just had to express my liking of this theory. I didn't go through all eight pages but did anyone consider that Timmett has more than two sources of Dragonblood as the Lord of the Eyrie married a Targ princess and the Lady of the Eyrie was quote as being cousin to the King Aegon III and because of Queen Rhaenerya's mother being an Arryn. So is it safe to assume that Lady Jeyne Arryn was the mother of Jasper Arryn who was the father of Jon Arryn and his siblings? No, it is not safe to assume... :) Aemma seems to have been an only child, so Rhaenyra had no aunt on her mother's side, at least, not a Targaryen-blooded aunt (Lord Rodrik Arryn could always have remarried after Daella's death, of course). So no Targaryen blood for Lady Jeyne of the Eyrie. Timeline-wise, no, Jasper won't have been Jeyne's son. Jeyne seems to have been around the age of Rhaenyra (still in her minority in 101 AC). Jon Arryn, on the other hand, was born roughly between 217 and 220 AC.. He was an old man at the birth of his first child, but that is absolutely not the standard. Jaspar seems to have had no problems with having children, so he will have been around the regular age-range for a Westerosi noble man at having his first child (which usually is anywhere between 15 and 30).. Which leaves slightly less than a century between Jeyne and Jasper..:) In addition, we have the following info from the MUSH (which, of course, is not canon, but it should be noted that the MUSH was updated to 2.0 for the World Book release, and that this particular piece of info had not been present in 1.0): {Lord Joffrey} (b. 100), once Knight of the Bloody Gate, a most unlikely heir (d. 151),The date of birth would make him a bit younger than Jeyne, but the most interesting part is the "a most unlikely heir". That means he was not Jeyne's brother (as he would have inherited the Vale over her if he had been). Which would make Joffrey a cousin, (possibly to the degree of Harrold Hardyn vs Robert Arryn, who knows, there's no info on that). The fact that that info was added to the MUSH in an update specially done for the World Book, would suggest this is something from left-over notes. It has not been published, so of course, it is still subject to change, but it is something interesting, nonetheless. It would also mean that Lady Jeyne's line ended not too long after the Dance (also note that at no point in time, any children have been mentioned for Lady Jeyne). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Spark of House Spark Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Lord Spark, I cannot use the quote button with internet explorer but I can use it on my mac with safari. Are you using explorer? Yes though I'm on Android atm.does anyone know if that can be fixed.I don't worship at the apple altar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Yes though I'm on Android atm.does anyone know if that can be fixed.I don't worship at the apple altar Google chrome on Android quotes perfectly. Google chrome on laptop as well, btw. So perhaps downloading another browser is the way to go.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stateofdissipation Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Question? [What is the cycle of a year? Why do they count years when seasons are strange?]Twelve moon tuns to a year, as on earth. Even on our earth, years have nothing to do with the seasons, or with the cycles of the moon. A year is a measure of a solar cycle, of how long it takes the earth to make one complete revolution around the sun. The same is true for the world of Westeros. Seasons do not come into it.http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/2997 GRRM claims 12 moon turns to a year, as on earth.... The problem is that on earth 13 moon turns are a year.... How do we decide which measure to use? Is a year "12 moon turns"?or Is a year "as it is on earth"--13 moon turns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Question? [What is the cycle of a year? Why do they count years when seasons are strange?]Twelve moon tuns to a year, as on earth. Even on our earth, years have nothing to do with the seasons, or with the cycles of the moon. A year is a measure of a solar cycle, of how long it takes the earth to make one complete revolution around the sun. The same is true for the world of Westeros. Seasons do not come into it.http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/2997 GRRM claims 12 moon turns to a year, as on earth.... The problem is that on earth 13 moon turns are a year.... How do we decide which measure to use? Is a year "12 moon turns"?or Is a year "as it is on earth"--13 moon turns?One moon in Westeros is one month in our world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stateofdissipation Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 One moon in Westeros is one month in our world. So on planetos.... "12 moons is one year"... Not "as it is on earth"....13 moons is one year On planetos the year is 12 moons--- a 12 moon cycle equals a solar year. Not as Even on earth a year has nothing to do with the cycles of the moon.--- a 13 moon cycle is 1 and 1/4 days shy of a solar year. So the first part of the sentence stands---- and "as it is on earth" is mistaken.... GRRM can be mistaken about lunar cycles on earth.... and apparently is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 So on planetos.... "12 moons is one year"...Not "as it is on earth"....13 moons is one year On planetos the year is 12 moons--- a 12 moon cycle equals a solar year.Not as Even on earth a year has nothing to do with the cycles of the moon.--- a 13 moon cycle is 1 and 1/4 days shy of a solar year. So the first part of the sentence stands---- and "as it is on earth" is mistaken.... GRRM can be mistaken about lunar cycles on earth.... and apparently is.Think of it like your taxes. You pay $7,539 instead of $7,539.56338904562376. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stateofdissipation Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Think of it like your taxes. You pay $7,539 instead of $7,539.56338904562376. In this case... I pay 6,959. instead of 7,539.... The IRS may not miss 53.9 cents... 580 dollars is another story entirely..... 12/13 13/13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Simple solution: In a world where season can last for years, perhaps the lunar circle is a bit longer than ours.. Arya gives us a `moon´ of 30 days, so there ya go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stateofdissipation Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Simple solution: In a world where season can last for years, perhaps the lunar circle is a bit longer than ours.. Arya gives us a `moon´ of 30 days, so there ya go. Twelve moon tuns to a year, as on earth. Even on our earth, years have nothing to do with the seasons, or with the cycles of the moon. A year is a measure of a solar cycle, of how long it takes the earth to make one complete revolution around the sun. The same is true for the world of Westeros. Seasons do not come into it. And Voila.... the problem disappears... or Twelve thirteen moon tuns to a year, as on earth. Even on our earth, years have nothing to do with the seasons, or with the cycles of the moon. A year is a measure of a solar cycle, of how long it takes the earth to make one complete revolution around the sun. The same is true for the world of Westeros. Seasons do not come into it. and voila--- the problem disappears....... Where does Arya give the lunar cycle as 30 days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 It's the same problem as Tywin not knowing how centuries are counted..."Joff will marry on the first day of the new year (300) which also is first year of new century". Maybe the Westerosi calendar works differently from ours... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Maybe GRRM simply considers a moon turn a month, I think most people probably feel that way. GRRM is not an astronomer after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stateofdissipation Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Maybe GRRM simply considers a moon turn a month, I think most people probably feel that way. GRRM is not an astronomer after all. GRRM was confused--- He either mistook the number of days in a lunar month or he mistook the number of months in a lunar year.... Unless GRRM makes another statement.... the nature of his mistake is unknown and choosing a direction is arbitrary... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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