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Show was never good, it was never even fine, especially in adhering to source material.



I knew it won't be good since the first ten minutes of first episode of first season. When I saw Faux Walkers, boring scenography, ugly and badly thought out costumes, casting slips and the fact they changed Gared and Will for no discernible reason whatsoever I knew it will be one of the bad adaptations.



But little did I know that this bad adaptation will also be a bad show and to what degree, it's unreal, I still thing this is social experiment of some kind


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The show was fine - if not compared to the books, and really, you are never going to be happy comparing it to source material, so stop - for the first seasons.


There were minor mistakes/plotholes. Alltogether it was credible and logical and consistent.



Then it became less and less so.



Season 5 is a f-cking disaster - no comparison to the books needed!



Its illogical, inconsistent, not accurate, incredible, all over the place, almost random.



It's badly written for the most part and awefully produced entirely with Dorne. And thats it.


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We need a 3rd name, because its only affective 2/3 of the time.

I vote for Bryan Cogman.

Well I hold him responsible too. Apparently he also feels the Sansa and Theon Ramsay storyline makes sense so probably didn't try to dissuade the other D's from it. Not like it would have mattered anyway. They're all clueless.

He used the words "This is Game of Thrones" in an answer to a question about what he would tell to upset fans about this development.

smh. they should all go to seven hells.

Edit: Wanted to fix a stupid mistake. We all know who they were servicing with that bullshit storyline, LOL

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Just remembered, I was very bothered by Sansa's stroll through the WF yard and everyone ignoring her. She is the fucking lady of the castle, even if no one thought to alert Ramsey or escort her back, they should have bowed and said "My lady" and stuff. They really don't pay attention to world building and internal consistency


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I'm still trying to figure out what Sansa's big moment was supposed to be... It took her days of rape and abuse to open a door? Or was it when she's all "I'm ready to die, do your worst!"



When I first saw her pick up that corkscrew a few episodes ago I was expecting a shanking. Not Theon's Darth Vader arc of throwing the Emperor over the edge.


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Well I hold him responsible too. Apparently he also feels the Sansa and Theon Ramsay storyline makes sense so probably didn't try to dissuade the other D's from it. Not like it would have mattered anyway. They're all clueless.

He used the words "This is Game of Thrones" in an answer to a question about what he would tell to upset fans about this development.

smh. they should all go to seven hells.

Edit: Wanted to fix a stupid mistake. We all know who they were servicing with that bullshit storyline, LOL

Oh, I agree. He is equally responsible/untalented/pick your poison, really. I can go on and on, but I'm tired of beating dead horses.

I haven't watched the show since episode 7. Just wanted to see how the season ended; won't be back here again once the week is done/the current thread gets boring.

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About the books and the show. There are supposed to be 7 book and as Weiss said 7 seasons and the dominant religion in Westeros is the faith of the 7 whic represents Father (Justice), Mother (Mercy), Warrior (Courage and Victory), Maiden (Innocence), Smith (Strenght), Crone (Wisdom), Stranger (death).


So first season is Ned the Father theme. season 2 is Catelyn the Mother mercy (she releases Jaime) theme. but i can-t be sure for the rest. Robb in season 3 for Warrior? or Jon. season 4 maybe Sansa? or maybe season 5 is Jon the Strenght. Very confusing.


What do you think the maine theme is for seasons 3 to 5 ? because if first 2 seasons were obvious the rest i am not so sure (of cours maybe they scrapped the idea, or it wasn-t one from the beggining)


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edit- so ned is father and dies. season 2 is caitlyn mother and dies. 3 is robb warrior and dies. 4 is Ygritte the protector of maiden (she takes Jon virginity and keeps it forever) and dies. 5 is Jon strenght and dies. 6 is sam the wisdom and dies. 7 WW are death and they are defeated.


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I'm pretty over Brienne. It's obvious the show writers are big fans with all the "cool" moments they keep giving her. Making Jaime look like a chump in their duel, beating the Hound, and now the Stannis thing. Pretty dumb.



I hope an anvil falls on her head.


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Show was never good, it was never even fine, especially in adhering to source material.

I knew it won't be good since the first ten minutes of first episode of first season. When I saw Faux Walkers, boring scenography, ugly and badly thought out costumes, casting slips and the fact they changed Gared and Will for no discernible reason whatsoever I knew it will be one of the bad adaptations.

But little did I know that this bad adaptation will also be a bad show and to what degree, it's unreal, I still thing this is social experiment of some kind

I was fine with it being not a faithful adaptation. The first three season told a good and largely coherent story. The plotholes were minor plotholes that didn't mess with your suspension of disbelief. In season four, there were some poor scenes and weak additions, but it was still a reasonable decent show.

I could have put up with some of the bad changes this season - if they had made sense from a storytelling perspective. They didn't though. Almost nothing made sense. You don't need to be a screenwriter to come up with 90% of what we saw this season. It was appalling! By no standards that exist was this a good story, it wasn't even a decent one, it was a complete mess. If this was the plot of a book manuscript, no publisher would publish it. My 16-year old students write better short stories than the GoT writers write scripts.

It is outright embarassing.

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This show is bad on its own merits. Don't get me wrong. But the worst part, the absolute worst, is that it's such a waste. It managed to screw up really good source material. Do you know how much better it could have been had it done some actual trimming rather than more or less ignoring two entire books?



For example, Stannis. Imagine this:


In episode 5, we see him recruit Northerners who want to rescue "Ned's girl". He says something badass about revenge. Everyone cheers and follows him. Episode 6 seems his army suffer from the elements, but his march continues, with Stannis himself never showing any signs of giving up. Episode 7 hits, the condition is worse. Stannis continues marching until... he stops. At some tiny hamlet flanked by a frozen lake.



No one knows why. For the end of 7 and the entirety of episode 8, we are left with the impression that the great North liberation has been brought to a screeching halt. Then episode 9 comes. We see men falling into the lakes while fishing and men drilling holes into the lakes for reasons seemingly unrelated to fishing. We see Stannis have an exchange with Theon/a Baratheon general about their position. You can more or less take this from the book:




General: "Lord Bolton has sent a large force out to meet us; no doubt he wants to end us as a threat before the other Northerners realize that we are a viable option. His army outnumbers and outclasses ours severely. Why have we stopped here? This position leaves us vulnerable. Slim as our chances may be, we must march to meet him near-"



Stannis: "No."



General: "Your Grace?"



Stannis: "Roose Bolton's army outnumbers ours. His knights will ride into battle on horses; most of ours will fight on foot. His men will charge into well-fed, ours with empty stomachs. It makes no matter. Roose, the Bastard, let them come. We hold the ground, and that I mean to turn to our advantage."



General: "The ground? What ground? This wretched little village? We have no high ground here, no walls to hide beyond, no natural defenses."



Stannis: "Yet".


[stannis walks away. The shot drifts over a dead man being fished out of the lake]




Then we have episode 10. We get an overhead shot of the armies. The Bolton army, composed primarily of cavalry, obviously outnumbers Stannis's. Ramsay charges at the head of it, smiley as ever. While the men next to him look worried, Stannis looks on the assembled force with a grim determination. We get another scene with Arya or something, to keep the audience on edge.



Cut back to Stannis and the Boltons. We come back right where we left off, with the Boltons about to crash into Stannis's much smaller force. Just when it looks like the forces will engage, Ramsay glances at the floor and notices that it's made of ice with a lot of holes in it. We see a small look of surprise on his face, just enough to get his emotions across before Stannis's catapults fire rocks on to the lake. The already weakened ice begins to crack. Cut to the entire lake shattering under the weight of the horses and the damage done by the artillery and the holes, Ramsay and his cavalry drowning, and Stannis giving his first genuine smile in the show. Then he draws his sword and orders his men to cut down the surviving foot following behind the cavalry. His men cheer.



Cut to the next scene, which depicts him marching into Winterfell triumphantly, as defectors open the gates to the victorious army. He announces that he will execute Roose Bolton. Season ends on a high note. I typed this in about ten minutes so it might not come across very well, but still. This is simple shit, it could be done cheaply and quickly.



That's just Stannis, not counting everything else that happens in books 4 and 5. Not Euron, Asha, Victarion, Jon Con, fAegon, Arianne, or any of the other major characters in these books. Can you seriously tell me that wouldn't be FUCKING AWESOME television? Or, at the very least, a thousand times better than Stannis being an idiot with a pointless story where he's defeated off-screen by Ramsay Sue?


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