ssls6 Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 I was thinking about this the other day...as a fan, I want him to know and that revelation be meaningful to the plot but is it necessary? As it stands, Dany plans to marry for alliance sake and Jon is already King of the North. That makes Jon a good choice relative to any others in the Realm. Does Jon being a Targ make him more appropriate to Dany? Jon has already taken the mantle of "leader against the white walkers". Does he need a prophecy to spur him into action? The Bastard King of the North who chose to lead is actually a cooler thing than "born to be a hero". Does he really need the information on his parents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chib Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Jon might do not need to know, in fact, I have the feeling not knowing will be better for him. But he must know... because it's his tragedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Null Infinity Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Yes, because the center point and the struggle (every character has a struggle in his story) of Jon in his story is that he never liked being a bastard, he was mocked to be a bastard and he was in perpetual search of a home and a family, this is why he took the black : to find a family, now he have a home (Winterfell) and a family (Lady Sansa), only missing his true parentage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinifan Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 You do not add Checkov's gun to the story without it going off. It has to come up at some point. And the whole character arc is rich in irony. The thing that Jon resents the most, being a bastard, is the very thing that protected him as a child. I also think it is important that both Dany and Jon earn their own success. That can be done even with the secret of Jon's parentage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back in Black-Snow Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Plus GRRM said that Jon will learn who his real parents are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueroses Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 He definitely has to know... It would be pretty lame if he doesn't get to know who is his mother and why Ned kept this information secret. I think that it has been the thing that made him suffer the most, more even than being a bastard. He used to dream about his mother and could almost see her face. And with Bran knowing the truth, I don't see how Jon would not since they are surely going to meet again before the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssls6 Posted July 12, 2016 Author Share Posted July 12, 2016 I can see Littlefinger whispering this to Jon as to "damage" him or make him question if he is really Ned's son. I don't know if I can see a reason for Bran to tell him. Jon is not a power hunger person (like Dany, Littlefinger, and most the other players) so the knowledge doesn't have much value to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueroses Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 10 minutes ago, ssls6 said: I can see Littlefinger whispering this to Jon as to "damage" him or make him question if he is really Ned's son. I don't know if I can see a reason for Bran to tell him. Jon is not a power hunger person (like Dany, Littlefinger, and most the other players) so the knowledge doesn't have much value to him. It doesn't have to be about power, knowing the identity of his mother and why Ned had to lie are important enough. Anyone who had been raised as a motherless outcast would want to know about his parentage and Jon has always been thinking and wondering about his mother. Besides, we don't even know yet if his Targaryen heritage would be essential for the war for the dawn and how he could handle it if he's unaware of it. As for littlefinger, I don't believe he knows about it... As a first class schemer, I believe he would have already used this card somehow to his advantage if he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Cygne Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 He wanted to know about his mother in season 1, he asked Ned, and Ned never got the chance to tell him. I think it would make a difference to him to know that his real mother loved him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyen Thuy Tran Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Blueroses said: As for littlefinger, I don't believe he knows about it... As a first class schemer, I believe he would have already used this card somehow to his advantage if he did. I agree with this. I think LF suspects it but he has no proof at all. And Jon doesn't look like a Targ so there is no evidence to play this card. He can't go around telling people Jon isn't a Stark while he looks exactly a Stark. They will just laugh it off and call him mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfsbae Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 45 minutes ago, Quyen Thuy Tran said: I agree with this. I think LF suspects it but he has no proof at all. And Jon doesn't look like a Targ so there is no evidence to play this card. He can't go around telling people Jon isn't a Stark while he looks exactly a Stark. They will just laugh it off and call him mad. Exactly -- it would sound almost as silly as Patchface being Shireen Baratheon's biological father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowKitteh Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Yes, he needs to know, and I think it will be Sam who pieces it together with Bran's help. This might be too meta, but in the BOOK HotU, The Undying call her "mother of dragons" and "child of three"..... So, does that mean she's one of three living siblings? That would work with Viserys, and Jon - all three were alive at the same time, not so with Rhaegar, only two. Dany was born after his death. Or, does it mean .....I'm out. I thought I had something else, but..... nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenzo98 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 He truly deserves to find out the truth about his parents. He has spent the most of his life thinking that he was only a bastard. The fact that the Targaryen blood flows through his veins might allow him to marry Daenerys and tame one of her dragons. The fact that he is not Eddard's son but his sister's instead, might put his leadership in danger because Sansa's claim on the North is much stronger than his Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbunting Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 48 minutes ago, Lorenzo98 said: He truly deserves to find out the truth about his parents. He has spent the most of his life thinking that he was only a bastard. The fact that the Targaryen blood flows through his veins might allow him to marry Daenerys and tame one of her dragons. The fact that he is not Eddard's son but his sister's instead, might put his leadership in danger because Sansa's claim on the North is much stronger than his This means nothing. Sansa has no claim to the North. She has a claim to Winterfell alone. Jon was proclaimed King by the North. Therefor he is the King, period. It's like winning by defeating the previous regime. The previous Princes aren't king now, they are nothing because the throne was taken by force and succession goes to them. As to the topic question. Does he have to know, no. Will he, yes, the author himself said he will. Will it matter in the grand scheme of things, I am not sure. I would think Dany would choose him to marry for Westeros power since he the logical choice. Him being half Targaryen would allow their name to continue, since I think Lyanna and Rheagar were married and his last name is Targaryen. Of course the author also said it would be a bittersweet ending so who knows, maybe they all die and the last chapter is a POV of the Nights King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakin1013 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 On 7/12/2016 at 10:56 AM, Le Cygne said: He wanted to know about his mother in season 1, he asked Ned, and Ned never got the chance to tell him. I think it would make a difference to him to know that his real mother loved him. Quite simply, this. Both the show and the books highlight how Jon thinks about himself as an outsider, we know how Catelyn treated him, and we know how he thinks about his mother. We see Jon wistfully asking Ned about his mother. He deserves to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterstars Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 On 7/12/2016 at 7:37 PM, Chib said: Jon might do not need to know, in fact, I have the feeling not knowing will be better for him. But he must know... because it's his tragedy. I believe by learning his true parentage will likely lead him into another tragedy, a big one. I dunno what it is, but...I think it will be something to do with bittersweet ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kytheros Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 He's going to find out ... but I think that what finding out will mean, to him, to those around him, and to the rest of Westeros, will be different in the books and the show. Not to mention the details around finding out are likely going to be rather different as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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