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How powerful were the Manderlys in the Reach?

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None chose to honor Davos with a name. The maester was the first to speak. "You stand before Wyman Manderly, Lord of White Harbor and Warden of the WhiteKnife, Shield of the Faith, Defender of the Dispossessed, Lord Marshal of the Mander, a Knight of the Order of the Green Hand," he said. "In the Merman's Court, it is customary for vassals and petitioners to kneel."

 

Lord Marshal of the Mander.

That’s how powerful they were.

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6 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said:

Lord Marshal of the Mander

Could that title be real reason why Manderlys were kicked out of Reach ?

I naturally don't know what kind of power that title included. But here in Finland we had only had 1 marsalkka and hopefully will never see another. Reason for that is normally commander of chief of our armed forces is Tasavallan presidentti and highest rank any soldier can reach is either general or admiral. But during war (s)he could appoint one of those as marsalkka, or as new commander in chief. Then marsalkka would practically became military dictator as long as that war last. 

So if title of Lord Marshal of the Mander really means that head of house Manderly claimed right to command all military forces of houses around river Mander. Then I can understand why other great houses decided kick house M out of the Reach.

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On 1/10/2019 at 1:25 AM, Loose Bolt said:

Could that title be real reason why Manderlys were kicked out of Reach ?

I naturally don't know what kind of power that title included. But here in Finland we had only had 1 marsalkka and hopefully will never see another. Reason for that is normally commander of chief of our armed forces is Tasavallan presidentti and highest rank any soldier can reach is either general or admiral. But during war (s)he could appoint one of those as marsalkka, or as new commander in chief. Then marsalkka would practically became military dictator as long as that war last. 

So if title of Lord Marshal of the Mander really means that head of house Manderly claimed right to command all military forces of houses around river Mander. Then I can understand why other great houses decided kick house M out of the Reach.

Possibly, it could be the reason.

I’m not sure what the title Marshal entitles you to but we have Osgreys who were the Marshals of NM and were the “first” to defend against Lannisters and from fire and blood Carons, “lords of the marches” are the marshals of dornish marches and We know for a fact they are not the overlord of other greater marcher lords. We also know it was Caron and Dondarrion who fought the vulture king(number whatever) and in the sworn sword we are told by lord Caron “his father took  ~5000 men” to fight the VK, so it was the Carons who commanded. So marshals apparently either command the forces of that region or the defense of it(whether if the forces come from that part or others) it may even be both.

 

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We don't see the title of Marshal being used in the Targaryen era, and we basically have no clues about the titles the independent Seven Kingdoms used.

But it certainly seems clear that 'Lord Marshal of the Mander' is not exactly an irrelevant title, especially since its current use by the Manderlys of White Harbor implies it was actually a hereditary title/office back in the Gardener days.

It is quite clear, though, that the various 'border lords' in those eras would have to have been much more powerful than they are today because keeping the enemy out of the kingdom would have been a very important task and many resources of the kingdom would go into that defense.

In part we still see echoes of that in the power/prominence the Marcher Lords and the Dornish lords of the Red Mountains still have.

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