Lord Varys Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 10 hours ago, Free Northman Reborn said: Bran skinchanged into certain individuals in his past Stark bloodline, exercising his knowledge through them into the past. That would be the freak scenario. It is much more likely that 'Brandon the Builder' never existed as a person if he was our Bran but rather a voice/face speaking to key individual through the weirwood trees. Later he would then be constructed/reimagined as a legendary hero, perhaps because even the people he talked to thought he was a greenseer living in their day and age rather than some guy from the future. But, hey, it is just an idea. And such plot line would technically also call for George actually covering Bran's time traveling exploits in considerable detail. That could be another book series... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Map Guy Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 If there is time travel in asoiaf, it has to be simple...like spying through weirwood trees only for information if someone is allowed to change the past, 1. there would be a guaranteed happy ending after several trial & errors; 2. there would be an entire new forum trying to determine the actual science of time travel in asoiaf (headache) IMO Spying on history though weirwood trees is the only acceptable time travel in the story before the story gets out of hand. R+L=J can be revealed though the weirwood trees in the Wolf's Den of White Harbor, while Ned & Howland have their final discussion before they split up after the Robert's Rebellion...this will be the only "Past" reveal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, The Map Guy said: If there is time travel in asoiaf, it has to be simple...like spying through weirwood trees only for information if someone is allowed to change the past, 1. there would be a guaranteed happy ending after several trial & errors; 2. there would be an entire new forum trying to determine the actual science of time travel in asoiaf (headache) IMO Spying on history though weirwood trees is the only acceptable time travel in the story before the story gets out of hand. R+L=J can be revealed though the weirwood trees in the Wolf's Den of White Harbor, while Ned & Howland have their final discussion before they split up after the Robert's Rebellion...this will be the only "Past" reveal There can be explanations as to why the recent events can't be changed. Say, a greenseer actually needs blood sacrifices to be able to speak through a given tree. How many blood sacrifices did the weirwood trees get in recent years/centuries? Bran could easily be very popular and influential with the ancient First Men while being completely unable to influence the lives of his more recent ancestors... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mother of The Others Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 If the festering bad relations deal with the Others dates back to a forgotten dispute over their own version of R+L=J, and if the Others are the equivalent of Thoros' loyal Kingsmen whom the world turned its back on, Bran could look into the past's truth and know how to settle the Other problem properly. If the Others have their own rightful claim to westeros and were displaced by ancient betrayal, that might be why Jon is strangely seen joined to their (just?) cause in the prophetic vision. Are the true Three Heads of rulership a dragonlord, an Other, and a fire & ice mixed blood hybrid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jô Maltese Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 15 hours ago, Free Northman Reborn said: I think Bran is all the legendary Brandon the Builders. Thus explaining how Bran the Builder supposedly influenced so many events across a large span of time, from Oldtown to Storm’s End to the Wall. Bran skinchanged into certain individuals in his past Stark bloodline, exercising his knowledge through them into the past. Does old Nan have the truth of it? Quote Thousands and thousands of years ago, Brandon the Builder had raised Winterfell, and some said the Wall. Bran knew the story, but it had never been his favorite. Maybe one of the other Brandons had liked that story. Sometimes Nan would talk to him as if he were her Brandon, the baby she had nursed all those years ago, and sometimes she confused him with his uncle Brandon, who was killed by the Mad King before Bran was even born. She had lived so long, Mother had told him once, that all the Brandon Starks had become one person in her head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clegane'sPup Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 If individuals want to believe in ASOIAF time travel via Bran it is okay with me. What I would remind American's with their short history ---- martin is using the English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish and the invaders of the british isles. Before christianity took hold the old gods and beliefs held sway. Hence why Gabaldon used the stones as a portal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Map Guy Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 4 hours ago, Lord Varys said: There can be explanations as to why the recent events can't be changed. Say, a greenseer actually needs blood sacrifices to be able to speak through a given tree. How many blood sacrifices did the weirwood trees get in recent years/centuries? Bran could easily be very popular and influential with the ancient First Men while being completely unable to influence the lives of his more recent ancestors... ....time travel science *sigh* well the person who gets sacrificed in the present enables one person to travel in time to the past and make alterations, what if the alterations in the distant past butterflies effect to the present sacrificed person to not ever be born, thus unable to make the present sacrifice to initiate the past changes??? time travel paradox loops are bad for story lines, especially far far past changes because of a lot of unforeseen consequences in the middle the least harmful time travel with the least amount of unforeseen consequences would be shorter distance time travelling, like telling yourself from a hour ago to not eat the gas station sushi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 minute ago, The Map Guy said: ....time travel science *sigh* well the person who gets sacrificed in the present enables one person to travel in time to the past and make alterations, what if the alterations in the distant past butterflies effect to the present sacrificed person to not ever be born, thus unable to make the present sacrifice to initiate the past changes??? time travel paradox loops are bad for story lines, especially far far past changes because of a lot of unforeseen consequences in the middle the least harmful time travel with the least amount of unforeseen consequences would be shorter distance time travelling, like telling yourself from a hour ago to not eat the gas station sushi My idea was that a tree getting a blood sacrifice might allow a greenseer - and greenseer - to actually speak through it - both a greenseer in the present and one from the future. Greenseers can look through time already, but making a connection with somebody in the present or the past via the weirwoods might only work if the gate at the place/in the past is opened via a blood sacrifice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clegane'sPup Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, The Map Guy said: ...time travel science *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, The Map Guy said: ..time travel science *sigh* There is no time travel because *the* point of everything is that actions have consequences, often times unpredictable ones. There are choices and decisions that must be made, and these bring consequences, that's it. And time travel would pretty much invalidate all that. In a sense, it would invalidate everything that makes this story so great and so loved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mother of The Others Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 He's unable to cause consequences currently while peeking through tree eyes. Butt, actual time travel would bring actual consequences. So your hot mind is thusly put at ease, or a'tease as the poets would say. Time travel wouldn't undermine or be a cheat around consequences, it'd add a second story onto the House of Repercussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moiraine Sedai Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 We learned from WoIaF how hard it is to rely upon written history. Bran's talent to see what actually happened is very important. He doesn't need to time travel to be important. Brandon will learn a lot of unflattering things about his family and it will create a moral dilemma for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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