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40 minutes ago, lalt said:

So personally I don't take that as a direct clue about his identity (it may be, it may be not) but as a sort of indirect clue about the overall narrative of the series, which is heavily influenced by the alchemical/hermetic tradition imo.

Sorry, I wasn't implying that this was a clue about the overall narrative.  I was just chatting and your reference to red and white brought Jaqen to mind and what his hair might say as an indirect clue about his true identity.

43 minutes ago, lalt said:

EDIT: check for Michael Maier: Atlanta fugiens Emblema XXIV - and you'll see what's coming for Jon and Ghost, for instance.

Here at page 76 and following 

I don't follow the frame you are using here although I did look from page 76 on. I'm not sure how this describes where Jon and Ghost are heading.  You will have to summarize that one for me.   

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1 hour ago, LynnS said:

Sorry, I wasn't implying that this was a clue about the overall narrative.  I was just chatting and your reference to red and white brought Jaqen to mind and what his hair might say as an indirect clue about his true identity.

 

No need to be sorry. And... I've got that and what I was trying to say - chatting - is not that one doesn't have to/can't do what you did, but that I never did it, because my focus was on something else. Maybe I should.

1 hour ago, LynnS said:

I don't follow the frame you are using here although I did look from page 76 on. I'm not sure how this describes where Jon and Ghost are heading.  You will have to summarize that one for me.   

It's not an easy read for anybody. I mean, people examine this kind of things for ages. But we're not Alchemists. 
We're readers of fiction authors who are inspired by this ecyclopedia of symbolims, weird scenes etc...

However:

A wolf devoured the King, and being burnt it restored him to life again.

I don't think that Ghost is going to eat Jon's body. But... a wolf, a fire (maybe a funeral pyre?) and a King is brought back to life. Because... he's special:

Thinges are far otherwise disposed among the Philosophers. For they certainly know that from their King devoured by a wolf there will appear one that is Alive, Strong and Young, and that the wolf must be burnt in his stead. For when the belly of the wolf is so gorged he will easily be slain, but although the King be dead he hath a Martiall or Cygnean Virtue that he can neither be wounded nor consumed

And now that I think about it.... maybe this could also be an inspiration for the "wargs killing and eating skinchangers = how the Others arised" I am leaning towards. It's still confused in my mind. But I think that these are the dots. More or less.

It's still confused in my mind... but I believe that these are pretty much the dots. 

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37 minutes ago, lalt said:

It's still confused in my mind... but I believe that these are pretty much the dots. 

OK, I see.  I'll have to think on it a bit.

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6 hours ago, lalt said:

I don't know it and I am not even sure if it really matters. What caught my attention is the symbolism (and the fact that it is associeted to Arya, Bran and Jon - our 3 main Starks wargs - one way or another). So personally I don't take that as a direct clue about his identity (it may be, it may be not) but as a sort of indirect clue about the overall narrative of the series, which is heavily influenced by the alchemical/hermetic tradition imo.

EDIT: check for Michael Maier: Atlanta fugiens Emblema XXIV - and you'll see what's coming for Jon and Ghost, for instance.

Here at page 76 and following 

But I woudn't rule out the chance that it is also an indirect hint about the FMs.... and their relationship with the old gods. That as you know, I think may existe and may predate by a long shot the current time line.

I wonder whether the FM are somehow based on concepts from the Egyptian "Book of the Dead" and similar concepts from South America. 

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Before I forget.... There’s a series on Netflix right now called Myths and Monsters. I’ve only watched part of the first episode so far, but it seems like it might be something that would interest a bunch of you. So far the first part is about myths over Europe and how they fit into Joseph Conrad’s Hero Journey. 

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