Best ruler of each region of the Seven Kingdoms ?

[Lilac & Gooseberries]

56 minutes ago, Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 said:

He knew at least that Bloodraven's action was a grave breach of diplomacy, not only that but by betraying his word and murdering Aenys Bloodraven had discredited the Iron Throne and that he needed to arrest and punish him for that otherwise he wouldn't have any credibility and would be seen as a lawless tyrant.

Not counting that Aenys was willing to do things legally and justly wouldn't have the means of doing anything to the Targaryens upon arriving at King's Landing due to his long exile and his father and brother's rebellions and defeats meaning that he'd have no real power here. 

Plus Bloodraven could have perfectly ignored his letter or refused to allow him to go to King's Landing or he could have bet on Aenys' failure at the Council but instead he chose the treachery and murder option.

Bloodraven eliminated a, potential, threat to the Throne. After so many Blackfyre conspiracies was idiotic for any Blackfyre to press a claim from half a century ago.

[Terrorthatflapsinthenight9]

2 minutes ago, Lilac & Gooseberries said:

Bloodraven eliminated a, potential, threat to the Throne. After so many Blackfyre conspiracies was idiotic for any Blackfyre to press a claim from half a century ago.

He did it without verifying if it was really a threat, while he had many other options to deal with Aenys and in the end chose to deal with someone who had diplomatically just asked him to allow him to participate to the big council in a particularly and unnecessareiy ruthless and despicable way while engaging the Iron Throne's credibility and hospitality, damaging the Targaryens' credibility so much that Aegon V had no choice to either kill or banish him to save the Targaryens' image. 

Aegon V may not have been the best king but arresting and punishing Bloodraven for Aenys' murder was certainely one of the good and right decisions he made.

[Lilac & Gooseberries]

7 minutes ago, Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 said:

He did it without verifying if it was really a threat, while he had many other options to deal with Aenys and in the end chose to deal with someone who had diplomatically just asked him to allow him to participate to the big council in a particularly and unnecessareiy ruthless and despicable way while engaging the Iron Throne's credibility and hospitality, damaging the Targaryens' credibility so much that Aegon V had no choice to either kill or banish him to save the Targaryens' image. 

Aegon V may not have been the best king but arresting and punishing Bloodraven for Aenys' murder was certainely one of the good and right decisions he made.

Bittersteel wasn't supposed to be a threat after his capture and sentence to the Wall and ha somehow managed to be. The Targs after the Blackfyre rebellions had only the Blackfyres to be scared about. And yes Egg did made a good decision, by sending Bloodraven to the Wall he saved him from Egg's folly. If Bloodraven was with them he would had endangered his life to save the Targs and he wouldn't had become a demigod who protects humanity.

[EggBlue]

5 hours ago, Lilac & Gooseberries said:

Maybe that was what the Blackfyres needed? To see that the Targs are not joking around and that they will go down that road to protect themselves, which would discourage any future attempt?

well , it clearly wasn't . they still had two more rebellions. it not only was a wrong decision morally but it was also politically a bad move . he tainted the crown's honor which he probably knew for no good reason. he didn't even have to respond to Aenys's letter , let alone deceive him. and even if he did let Aenys set forward his claim at the council, there was literally no way the council choose Daemon Blackfyre's 4th son who was a toddler the last he was in Westeros. most of Blackfyre sympathetic lords were already in exile, not to mention all the losses the lords of the realm had endured through 3 Blackfyre rebellions . Obviously , either Egg or Maegor would have been chosen to be king. the situation was a good one to deny any rights in line of succession from Blackfyres in front of the whole realm to see.  Aenys, put aside his personal grudge against Bloodraven (for killing his father and brothers) and wrote to him to be included in the great council which means he would have been obligated to honor the council's choice . Bloodraven could use this opportunity to put Aenys in a position that brings his family back away from Bittersteel and make them part of the family again or better say keep them close . seems to me, Aenys would have been willing to compromise. for a long term solution , a marriage deal could be arranged . if Targaryens and Martells could set aside their enmity , surely Targaryens could do the same with Blackfyres. And in the worst case scenario , he could keep Aenys as a hostage same as Daemon II whose captivity prevented rebellions. 

[Terrorthatflapsinthenight9]

Just now, Lilac & Gooseberries said:

Bittersteel wasn't supposed to be a threat after his capture and sentence to the Wall and ha somehow managed to be. The Targs after the Blackfyre rebellions had only the Blackfyres to be scared about. And yes Egg did made a good decision, by sending Bloodraven to the Wall he saved him from Egg's folly. If Bloodraven was with them he would had endangered his life to save the Targs and he wouldn't had become a demigod who protects humanity.

Not the best comparison given that Aenys Blackfyre was trying to present his claim legally and peacefully and was very unlikely to have that much support in King's Landing or to risk assassinating Aemon or Egg, while Bittersteel tried to take the Iron Throne by force and had military support with him.

Plus Bloodraven could have just refused Aenys to participate at the great council or ignore his letter, or made sure that the great lords rejected his claim. 

[EggBlue]

guys , have you ever thought what would have happened if Bittersteel hadn't run away from Nightswatch? ! if Bloodraven / Aenys story still happened, then both brothers had to be in the Nightswatch together

[The Bard of Banefort]

The world book, which is written by the maesters, more or less says outright that Quellon was the greatest lord to ever rule the Iron Islands. He had both the strength and the sense to reform the Islands and modernize them more than any other lord previously. The problem was his successor(s). Ironically, if Balon had died before Ned and Theon had been recalled to the Iron Islands, he probably could have undone some of the damage that his father did, especially if Asha swallowed her pride and helped him. 

Doran is actually a great leader if you're just a regular commoner who would otherwise have been crushed by war and famine should Oberyn and the Sand Snakes have gotten their way. Instead they got twenty years of stability and prosperity.

Rodrik Arryn for the Vale

The Westerlands prospered under Tywin, but I'm not sure that annihilating any house that crosses you is the sign of a great leader. Maybe the lord who supported Egg, Rohanne's husband?

None of the Tyrell lords seem all that impressive, to be honest. It's actually a bit of a head-scratcher why no one tried to overthrow them, especially when you consider their vassals' strength. Same for the Tullys: they all seem somewhat ineffective but, through the grace of plot armor, somehow stayed in power.

Probably Bran the Builder for the North

Possibly Rogar Baratheon for the Stormlands, or maybe his son Boremund

 

[Dreadscythe95]

23 hours ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

The world book, which is written by the maesters, more or less says outright that Quellon was the greatest lord to ever rule the Iron Islands. He had both the strength and the sense to reform the Islands and modernize them more than any other lord previously. The problem was his successor(s). Ironically, if Balon had died before Ned and Theon had been recalled to the Iron Islands, he probably could have undone some of the damage that his father did, especially if Asha swallowed her pride and helped him. 

Doran is actually a great leader if you're just a regular commoner who would otherwise have been crushed by war and famine should Oberyn and the Sand Snakes have gotten their way. Instead they got twenty years of stability and prosperity.

Rodrik Arryn for the Vale

The Westerlands prospered under Tywin, but I'm not sure that annihilating any house that crosses you is the sign of a great leader. Maybe the lord who supported Egg, Rohanne's husband?

None of the Tyrell lords seem all that impressive, to be honest. It's actually a bit of a head-scratcher why no one tried to overthrow them, especially when you consider their vassals' strength. Same for the Tullys: they all seem somewhat ineffective but, through the grace of plot armor, somehow stayed in power.

Probably Bran the Builder for the North

Possibly Rogar Baratheon for the Stormlands, or maybe his son Boremund

 

How are the Tyrells considered uneffective when they managed in less than 3 centuries to consolidate their power that much that in the beginning of ASOIAF they are OP eventhough they don't even have the blood to back their claim to Highgarden?  The Tyrells won their power through micromanagement in politics in the long run and not trough Wars. Their vassals didn't overthrow them because they couldn't.  They even managed to overshadow The hHightowers after The Dance, their influence is obviosuly bigger The Hightowers were weakened in The Dance.

[The Bard of Banefort]

1 hour ago, Dreadscythe95 said:

How are the Tyrells considered uneffective when they managed in less than 3 centuries to consolidate their power that much that in the beginning of ASOIAF they are OP eventhough they don't even have the blood to back their claim to Highgarden?  The Tyrells won their power through micromanagement in politics in the long run and not trough Wars. Their vassals didn't overthrow them because they couldn't.  They even managed to overshadow The hHightowers after The Dance, their influence is obviosuly bigger The Hightowers were weakened in The Dance.

They sat out the Dance and faced no consequences from either side for it. They fought for Aerys and faced no consequences afterwards. Most of the fighting during every major war occurred in the Reach, and they were powerless to stop it. None of their powerful vassals ever tried overthrowing them despite their claim to Highgarden being so contested. They are beyond lucky. 

[Canon Claude]

On 11/28/2021 at 6:37 PM, EggBlue said:

guys , have you ever thought what would have happened if Bittersteel hadn't run away from Nightswatch? ! if Bloodraven / Aenys story still happened, then both brothers had to be in the Nightswatch together

One would be at the Shadow Tower, one would be at Eastwatch-by-the-Sea.

[Lord of Oldstones]

Best rulers: the OG trio of Aegon Visenya Rhaenys.

Can't really say for each kingdoms with 10s of thousand years long history. But i like Tyrell rule. Their war tactics is to minimize damage at all cost which i like. They are well established and have loyality of most their bannermen.

[Dreadscythe95]

13 hours ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

They sat out the Dance and faced no consequences from either side for it. They fought for Aerys and faced no consequences afterwards. Most of the fighting during every major war occurred in the Reach, and they were powerless to stop it. None of their powerful vassals ever tried overthrowing them despite their claim to Highgarden being so contested. They are beyond lucky. 

No it did not, most of it happens in the Riverlands. And they fought for Aerys, jus ton their own terms. Their vassals could nto overthrow them at all. If cou declare was at your Overlords it's not like the other houses will take your side, they will probably support them to take the spoils of the winners and become stronger. The Tyrells managed to marry with most majot houses in The Reach and create the most members than any other House, their roots became deep and thjey used politics so well that they managed to stay on a rope and become the strongerst Lords of Westeros evernthogu they started as Upstarts in a region full of ancient houses. No matte rhow much you wan tto sell that narrative of yours it's not working because there is no luck. They Tyrells just play excellent politics and are opportunists, they rely on people underestimating them like you do right now and liek The Hightwoers did before The Dance, that's why afte rThe Dance they fell in line and The Tyrells lost no power at all while their greedy bannermen lost a lot ofd their former strength.

[EggBlue]

22 hours ago, Canon Claude said:

One would be at the Shadow Tower, one would be at Eastwatch-by-the-Sea.

I can easily see them splitting the NW and breaking the wall in half or kill each other in a bloody combat as soon as they lay eyes on one another.....though, in a more romantic set of events maybe the brothers who turned their feud into a continental war would finally reconcile in frozen north and revive their brotherly bond over their failures and losses   how sweet..!