Talleyrand Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 What happened to the army of the North? IIRC Robb came south with 20,000 men and then gets a few thousand more from the riverlands but when he is killed at the red wedding he only has 3,000 men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yarl Snow Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 What happened to the army of the North? IIRC Robb came south with 20,000 men and then gets a few thousand more from the riverlands but when he is killed at the red wedding he only has 3,000 men.The Robb loyalists suffered many grievous blows, and he himself lost the Karstarks by beheading their Lord. Roose Bolton carefully killed off or crippled many bannermen loyal to Robb. He sent two of them to Maidenpool, Glover and Tallhart. When crossing a river, he left 1/3 of his strength (Norrey, Locke, Burley and Ser Wylis Manderly with knights) on the other side, and they were attacked by Ser Gregor. He mentions leaving 600 men to guard the crossing, Stout and Cerwyn men. This is from ASOS p566.I come to think of Roose Bolton's somewhat cold statement at the Twins, when asked what men he brought with him. "Dreadfort men, in chief, and some from Karhold. With the loyalty of the Karstarks so doubtful now, I thought it best to keep them close." Bolton manouvered Robb's strength away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinso Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 What happened to the army of the North? IIRC Robb came south with 20,000 men and then gets a few thousand more from the riverlands but when he is killed at the red wedding he only has 3,000 men.First, he divided his forces at the Twins, hatching the plan to use most of his infantry under Roose Bolton's command to lure Tywin Lannister into battling the futile Battle of the Greenfork, while he attacked Jaime at Riverrun with his cavalry. He also left some not-so-numerous troops at the Twins. Roose Bolton, if I remember correctly, remained in control of this sub-host for most of the war, taking Harrenhal after Tywin left it to fight Stannis on the Blackwater. Meanwhile, Robb launched raids in the Westerlands with his own forces, taking several castles of the local lords. He fought a Lannister army led by one of Tywin's cousins (his name escapes me right now) at Oxcross and won a decisive victory, but after that the Western lords couldn't really muster much of a defence. After the Blackwater and the Westerling fiasco, Roose Bolton decided to switch sides and, as the Red Wedding drew closer, he sent some of his own, possibly loyal to Robb, men (Robett Glover and Helman Tallhart) to attack the city of Duskendale in the Crownlands where they were defeated soundly by Randyll Tarly and then caught in their tracks by Gregor Clegane as they retreated. Meanwhile, Robb lost the Freys and the Karstarks by, respectively, marrying Jayne Westerling and executing Rickard Karstark; thus he lost at least five thousand troops, in my estimation.At his way to the Red Wedding, Roose Bolton was "attacked" by Gregor Clegane, just as he crossed the Trident, and his rear guard was butchered; in reality, I suspect this was coordinated move since Gregor's attack really struck on those Northeners in Bolton's host who were possibly still loyal to the Starks and could prove to be troubelsome at the Wedding. So, by the time of the Red Wedding, part of Robb's army had turned their cloaks, another part consisted of loyal, but captured by the enemy troops, and he himself had lost a sizeable chunck of soldiers in his stupid political decisions. And that's not counting the men killed in the various battles he fought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faint Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Is it basically established that Cersei will have POVs in ADwD but Jaime will not? Has there been any information as to whether he will even appear in the book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anya, Vengeance Demon Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Is it basically established that Cersei will have POVs in ADwD but Jaime will not? Has there been any information as to whether he will even appear in the book?I don't think that we know whether Jaime will be in ADWD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faint Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 I don't think that we know whether Jaime will be in ADWD.Is this in regard to having POVs or just in general? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anya, Vengeance Demon Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Is this in regard to having POVs or just in general?Both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatever Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 So.. do we know that cersei has a/some Pov(s) in ADWD? Did martin say so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Godric Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 So.. do we know that cersei has a/some Pov(s) in ADWD? Did martin say so?Yes, Martin previously mentioned that he wrote two Cersei chapters for the Winds of Winter which he has moved to A Dance with Dragons. And as of June 27th last year, Cersei was still in Dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talleyrand Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 What are bastards from the crownlands called? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horza Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Waters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Waters, as with Aurane Waters, or Rennifer Longwater's ancestor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haekle Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 First, he divided his forces at the Twins, hatching the plan to use most of his infantry under Roose Bolton's command to lure Tywin Lannister into battling the futile Battle of the Greenfork, while he attacked Jaime at Riverrun with his cavalry. He also left some not-so-numerous troops at the Twins. Roose Bolton, if I remember correctly, remained in control of this sub-host for most of the war, taking Harrenhal after Tywin left it to fight Stannis on the Blackwater. Meanwhile, Robb launched raids in the Westerlands with his own forces, taking several castles of the local lords. He fought a Lannister army led by one of Tywin's cousins (his name escapes me right now) at Oxcross and won a decisive victory, but after that the Western lords couldn't really muster much of a defence. After the Blackwater and the Westerling fiasco, Roose Bolton decided to switch sides and, as the Red Wedding drew closer, he sent some of his own, possibly loyal to Robb, men (Robett Glover and Helman Tallhart) to attack the city of Duskendale in the Crownlands where they were defeated soundly by Randyll Tarly and then caught in their tracks by Gregor Clegane as they retreated. Meanwhile, Robb lost the Freys and the Karstarks by, respectively, marrying Jayne Westerling and executing Rickard Karstark; thus he lost at least five thousand troops, in my estimation.At his way to the Red Wedding, Roose Bolton was "attacked" by Gregor Clegane, just as he crossed the Trident, and his rear guard was butchered; in reality, I suspect this was coordinated move since Gregor's attack really struck on those Northeners in Bolton's host who were possibly still loyal to the Starks and could prove to be troubelsome at the Wedding. So, by the time of the Red Wedding, part of Robb's army had turned their cloaks, another part consisted of loyal, but captured by the enemy troops, and he himself had lost a sizeable chunck of soldiers in his stupid political decisions. And that's not counting the men killed in the various battles he fought.And on top of that you have all the attrition, that comes from moving a large army around in a pre-modern setting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manderly`s Personal Chef Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 How did Varys get in the Small Council? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talleyrand Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Who is the Warden of the south? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talleyrand Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 How did Varys get in the Small Council?The spymaster has a place on the council Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Mace Tyrell is Warden of the South Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinso Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 How did Varys get in the Small Council?As far as I can recall without having to start digging through the books, he managed to gain Aerys' favour by feeding him information about treasonous plots and whatnot; Aerys, being kinda terrified by conspirators both real and imaginary, probably thought him useful, maybe a bit like Cersei did with Qyburn. After the War of the Usurper, Robert pardoned Varys and let him sit on his new Small Council, because, heck, every king needs a good spymaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overcomebyfumes Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Where did the term "Mary Sue" come from and what does it mean exactly?Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatever Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Where did the term "Mary Sue" come from and what does it mean exactly?Thanks.ok, it comes from a character in a parody of a star trek fanfict, who was kind of "the perfect girl". Young, talented, smart, beautiful ecc. So, mary sue (or gary stu) means a character who is pratically perfect.There is an excellent article on wikipedia herehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sueand a mary-sue litmus test herehttp://www.springhole.net/quizzes/marysue.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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