[ADWD Spoilers] Who do you expect to die in TWOW

[A Little Bird]

Do the converging POVs necessarily have to end in death? Why not simply stop using a character as a POV narrative once it no longer becomes necessary. There were certainly plenty of times all the Starks were together, with narratives overlapping, no?

That said,

I expect the following to take a dirt nap in TWOW:

Stannis

Sweetrobin

Daario

Hizdahr

Doran (I like him a lot more than most, so I'll be sad to see it)

Euron

Mace Tyrell

Roose (by Ramsay's hand)

Lady Stoneheart (god riddance, she's almost as intolerable as the live Catelyn Stark)

lots of Freys

Barristan Selmy

I expect these folks to survive, despite popular sentiment that they are doomed:

Tommen and Myrcella (Ser Pounce will protect them)

Loras (at worst he is disfigured and will have to overcome his broken vanity, but I don't believe the unLoras theory and think he will play a major role in kings landing politics)

Jaime/Brienne

Theon

Ramsay (he will kill Roose and come to power in the north as an arch-villain before dying in a later book)

[Elundin]

I expect the following deaths (and in some of these cases I even demand them, tbh):

- Selmy is Whiskeyjack. He will die a heroic death protecting and saving Dany in a heartbreaking scene.

- Cersei will die. Or, must die. For the sake of justice and balance. So many good characters have died thus far, she must be sacrificed to satisfy my need for balance in the book.

- Jon will die, but will be resurrected by Melissandre. I don't want him to live in Ghost as a warg. That would just stall things, and my patience's gone so I want things to progress.

- The Frey's, all of them, have a death sentence sitting on them. Manderly or/and Catelyn will take them out one by one.

- Roose Bolton will die, by either Manderly/Catelyn or Ramsay. In effect, Ramsay will become Darth Vader, till he is assassinated by Arya, in a contract paid by Manderly (defo, this one).

- Hizdahr is the Harpy and Selmy kills him, as promised. Gipsy King Daario dies too in some epic battle as a result of Hizdahr's death. (serves plot point of releasing Dany of Meereen).

- Littlefinger must leave the Vale, so Sweetrobin dies.

Characters I expect to survive (the rest I don't really care about):

- Mance, though I have not yet decided what purpose that would serve. I just like the bugger.

- Stannis+ Melissandre. The Lady Selyse though will burn. Stannis and Melissandre wed and have fierce red haired babies.

- The surviving Stark kids. No more Stark deaths are allowed whatsoever. I don't mind Bran turning into a tree, Sansa into Cersei and Arya into an assassin as long as they're alive.

- Sam lives. He needs to go back to the Wall and counsel Jon.

[Queen Arya]

What i think its gonna happen:

- Connigton (obviously)

- Aegon (in the end of the book... probably just after Dany's arrival)

- Tommen or Myrcella (i think its gonna be Myrcella... Tommen dead will virtually end the war. But i'm really hopping they both make it to the end with their father)

- Brienne (i REALLY don't want this to happen but i believe she's gonna die to save Jaime somehow)

- Barristan (i like him a lot but when Tyrion joins Dany, it will be too much POVs in this story arc)

What i Want to happen:

- lots of Freys (BwB + Stoneheart will be very busy)

- Victarion (because Asha and Theon are already enough POVs in the iron islands)

- Damphair (i hope he'll die helping Asha to make Theon a king)

- Cersei (but i think she gonna die in the last book)

[Daemrion]

I also think that Connington and Young Griff 'Aegon' have to die so that the set up for Dany's invasion happens.

I agree that a lot of minor characters and minor POVs might go to start consolidating the story together.

We'll probably see the Sand Snakes make a move in TWOW and probably die or be captured in the attempt.

[kg1982]

Jon Connington dies defending Aegon, but Aegon is alive at the end of the book. Mother of Dragon, Slayer of Lies - suggests that Dany confronts these things - the person holding the false dragon (Euron), the false Azor Ahai (Stannis), and the false Targaryen (Aegon). Not having Jon to keep Aegon in check could lead to Aegon making some horrible mistakes, which end up getting the false king killed in Dreams of Spring.

Margaery and her cousins lose their trials and are executed. I think that Loras might be executed as well. Varys manipulates the trial behind the scenes and probably trumps up evidence to keep the Tyrells and Lannisters at odds. I'm thinking that there is an allegation launched that Margaery and Loras were sleeping with each other. That would parallel the allegations against Anne Boleyn (historically) and the in-book incest between Jaime and Cersei. Margaery and Loras are just the sort of sympathetic secondary characters that Martin likes to kill.

Doran ends up dying of natural causes and Arianne takes over ramping up tensions on that front.

Tommen and Myrcella :( die by book end. I'm thinking that they are either killed by the Grey Plague or in a nice sense of irony Aegon orders them killed. I'm thinking that Aegon marches into King's Landing as the savior by book's end (the mummer's dragon is popular) and then does something stupid (like kill an eight year old boy) which decreases his popularity.

The Sand Snakes don't heed Doran's advice and after his death get involved in a half baked plot, which leads to their deaths.

Quite a few people end up dying at the Wall in the chaos after Jon's death. This includes some of the more sympathetic wildings like Wun-Wun and the conspirators themselves.

Shireen ends up dying. Stannis ends up giving her as a sacrifice to R'hllor.

Selyse ends up dying when the Others come streaming over the Wall. Tormund, Leathers, and Val end up dying in a last ditch desperate defense of the Wall which allows the refugees to flee South to Winterfell. I'm not sure if Stannis dies in this book or the next, it depends on Dany showing up. I do think that both the newly resurrected Jon and/or Stannis end up leading the refugees south.

Roose Bolton is killed by wounds given to him by Mance. Ramsay Bolton is satisfyingly killed by Jon Snow in a chilling scene.

The Freys get killed in order to help stave off famine in the Riverlands, especially when people find out that they taste delicious in pies. Walder Frey is the epilogue character and gets killed by Lady Stoneheart.

[Elundin]

Funny how everyone, including myself, thinks that Jon either survives or gets resurrected. Given that the author's family reads these forums, he may get some strange idea to kill him dead afterall with this stabbing nonsense. I'd be heartbroken if he did.

[Scotty J]

Funny how everyone, including myself, thinks that Jon either survives or gets resurrected. Given that the author's family reads these forums, he may get some strange idea to kill him dead afterall with this stabbing nonsense. I'd be heartbroken if he did.

Lol, like I was saying in another thread.. the problem with killing Jon is that NO ONE believes he's dead. Ever since the beginning of the series, I've assumed that Jon was the "Ice" in the song of fire and ice, so I would be really surprised if he was actually dead. Especially considering the prologue and the explanation of how dead people turn into their wargs.. it doesn't really add up if he's dead.

On the other hand, I won't have to put up with like 10+ chapters of why the wildings should or shouldn't be near the Wall anymore.

[Lord Godric]

I expect many people to die in TWoW, many more than I can list here.

In a vague chronological order I suspect:

I fully expect Jon Connington to die, like everyone else suspects.

Then I expect Doran Martell to die (probably after finding out news of Dany's refusal of Quentyn and Quentyn's death). From there Arianne will rule Dorne and side with Aegon.

I expect Barristan Selmy to die protecting Dany as she finally manages to leave Meereen.

Next, I expect Tommen to die. Leaving Myrcella as Queen - except for the fact that she's still in Dorne which has now declared for Aegon.

Roose Bolton will be the next to kick the bucket. Followed shortly by Ramsey.

Stannis will die. By whose hand, I don't know. Whether it is Ramsey or Dany.

Eventually Bowen Marsh and many of the Queen's Men and Night's Watch will die.

All along Freys will continue to die.

Eventually Myrcella who probably was still in Dorne will be killed.

Then the final two deaths I expect are Cersei, having the Valonqar prophecy fulfilled.

And I expect the book to end with Dany killing the pretender that is Young Griff.

I realize that is a lot of deaths, but I just don't see these final two books happening without a lot of characters - great and small - dying. A lot of these deaths need to happen to advance the plot and others are just ones I think we all want to see and are waiting for (the Freys).

[The Rains of Castamere]

I'm firmly in the camp that believes that the valonquar of Cersei's nightmares is not in fact Tyrion, but her other 'little brother' Jaime. :smug:

But what could possibly push him over the edge? Well, as far-fetched as it might seem, I think it may well be Brienne's death (as a sacrifice to save his life/redeem him/demonstrate true love, nor Cersei's weird pseudo-narcissistic incest)...

So my money's on Brienne not being alive to see summer again.

[Pepi]

What could put him off the edge? Well... perhaps appointing and undead to kg, for starters?

[Whatever]

Oh, dead people! What fun!

Selyse, because mustachioed religious fanatics cannot be allowed to live.

Lol.

Ramsay – how can he live? He's surrounded by enemies. I just hope he dies a slow and humiliating death.

I hope theon kills him. With a bow.

I'll go with:

likely

-Littlefinger

-Sweetrobin

-Roose (and, maybe, ramsay)

-Jon Connington

-Young Griffin

-Hidzar

-Daario

-Bowen Marsh

-Emmon & Gemma at Riverrun

-Doran (book epilogue)

-One of the sand snakes (i'll go with Obara Sand, but i'm fine with everyone but Tyene, please)

-Balon Swann

-Jojen Reed

-Damphair

-More Freys (sure about it)

Also, Selmy in a later book (Dream prologue)

In Danger

-Stannis

-Mance (no, please no!)

-Tommen

Personal Predictions (call it wishful thinking..)

-Tyrion (maybe not in tWoW. But i think he's gonna die before the final part of aDoS)

-Varys

-Stoneheart

-Euron

-Mace Tyrell

-Maergary/Loras (not both. Either she loses the trial or he dies. Maerge is more likely to me)

[Sun]

Assuming the series does end with 7 books, I think the most probable book 7 deaths would be:

Breinne, Melisander, Victarion. Either Theon or Asha - no way both survive the book), Areon, Roose, Myrcella and Tommen.

If I'm very very lucky, Dany. But unfortunately, Dany's death will, if it happens at all, likely be around the middle of book 8.

Now that I've written them down, it seems like a hell of a lot of deaths for one book.

[MyDogIsNamedDanerys]

Griffs, young and old

Tommen :crying:

Stannis :crying:

[Ilex]

Connington is toast

His POV is going to be replaced by Selemy's, who has been sent to Aegon as an envoy. While there he defects to Aegon's side because the septa Lemore is an old flame of his = Dany's betrayal for love. (at least I hope this happens, because Selemy is the character I most want to see alive at the end of the books)

Selyese and Shireen I expect will go down with the wall

Jojen and his sister are probably toast, which is going to antagonize Bran into questioning the crazy peeps he seems to be blindly following, finally. Bran may be sort of toast- I think he isn't going to be recognizable as Bran anymore, at least.

UnCat was ridiculous from the get go and needs to be finished. I'd kind of like to see Jon make that happen with a blazing sword, but perhaps that's a bit too melodramatic. Though it'd fit with the absurdity of it.

Brienne is toast, Jaimie has to live to kill his sister. I don't expect that'll happen till the last book. Then they will both die.

Daario is toast, as is Hidzar. Dany needs to be a free agent again.

Major Freys and Boltons are going to be toast. There will still be Freys, how could there not be with that many of them, but they will be decimated.

Asha is sadly toast. My wishful thinking for her is that she and Jon get together before she dies, and she is his "Nissa Nissa."

The maybes:

Sweet Robin and Littlefinger are probably toast. I think these things will be related, and Sansa will kill off Littlefinger in an "I've had it!" berserk moment (one can always hope).

I don't think its looking good for Maergary. Or Myrcella. Those two are probably toast as well.

Doran could die and the Sand Snakes could finally slip the leash. That would be bad for them, I suspect.

[I hate Dorn]

I think, at the very least, we can expect Martin to have many of the villains/obstructions to the main characters perish in this second last book. By that I mean the Bolton's, the Frey's, Dany's enemies in and around Meereen, Jon Snow's betrayers, most of the Dothraki, Victorian Greyjoy, Jon Connington, Robert Strong, The Hound, Illyn Payne, Varys, Mace Tyrell, Cersei, Tommen, Myrcella, Little Finger, most of the Wildings, most of the Nights Watch, Stannis, Selsye and Melisandre

I know that's a lot, but I am expecting quite the blood bath. Significant as some of them are, I feel the last book in the series is going to be all about Dragons and the Others (fire and ice) and what the main characters do about them. All these other powerful/dangerous people kind of need to be dealt with before all that can happen

All debts will be paid, all situations handled. It's time to clean house in preperation for the real threat. It will take contributions/sacrafices from Jon Snow, Arya, Tyrion, Sansa, Daavos, Theon, Dany, Jamie, Brianne, Zombie Cat, Young Griff, Sir Bariston, Gendry, Samwell, Pyp, Gren, Mance Rayder, Val, Bran, Hodor, Osha, Rikkon, The Reeds, Cold Hands, Tormand, Wun Wun, Asha, Ghost, Nymeria, Summer, Shaggy Dog.....heck even Dolorous Edd to ensure that the world is not completely destroyed

[Leuf]

I think, at the very least, we can expect Martin to have many of the villains/obstructions to the main characters perish in this second last book....

I feel the last book in the series is going to be all about Dragons and the Others (fire and ice) and what the main characters do about them. All these other powerful/dangerous people kind of need to be dealt with before all that can happen...

All debts will be paid, all situations handled. It's time to clean house in preperation for the real threat.

I really doubt it. We don't need 1000 pages of good guys dealing with the bad guys. That's maybe 1/3 of a book. I doubt that Cersei is ever going to put aside her crazy for the good of the realm. Littlefinger is going to be figuring out how to turn it all into more power for himself. It's no fun if everyone is just working together in the last book. What I'd like would be if different groups had different ideas about what to do about things and even though they are working for a common purpose they aren't working together and perhaps are even working against each other while angling to be in a position to take advantage when the threat is passed.

I think Stannis is toast when the wall is breached by the middle of the book and he makes a stand against them. Davos, Rickon and Osha will be safe on Skagos, Asha and Theon safe on the Iron Islands. Perhaps even a POV on Bear Island. Whoever else has survived the battle for Winterfell is probably a goner too, though I could see Ramsey someone getting out of there to die in a more personal way later.

[Morn of Swording]

Stannis will die but be resurrected by Mel and her faith in him will be strengthened.

Ghost/Jon will reunite with Nymeria and Summer perhaps to escort Jon's body to the land of always winter.

Davos will die but successfully bring Rickon to Stannis.

Bran will live beyond everyone in this series.

Jojen will die soon.

Jaime will sacrifice his life for Brienne or vise versa.

Sandor will join the faith and die against Robert Strong.

Robert Strong's army will save Cersei and bring her/Tommen to Casterly Rock and come back to exterminate the Tyrells.

Jon Connington will infect Aegon with greyscale.

The wall collapses, everyone from the NW dies.

[Mark Antony]

Roose

Ramsay

Robert Arryn

Victarion

Aeron

Connington

Jojen

Tommen

Myrcella- Epilogue

[theotherstakeyou]

I think there will be a lot of siblings killing each other. Jaime kills Cersei, Sandor kills Gregor, Victarion kills Euron. I also think that Margery, Jojen Reed, Tommen, and Myrcella will die.

[imladolen]

Well, I guess that's what we're meant to think.

For me, it would be a far greater twist if his resurrection faield though and she has to escape (or not) by some other means. :)

I don't think Robert Strong will actually be allowed to fight for Cersei in her trial. I suspect that the High Septon will demand to see Strong's face, that he remove his helm before the trial fight begins, and when that helmet comes off, all seven hells will break lose in King's Landing.