Serie Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Arya swore that she wouldn't kill Sansa in the first book.sorry, I thought you were referring to the "FM can't kill people they know" part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slurms McKenzie Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Arya swore that she wouldn't kill Sansa in the first book.She could break her promise......... :uhoh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetitansbastard Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 two things I think will happen that are implied from foreshadowing. Littlefinger will higher a faceless man to kill sansa (he mentions in the first book the cost of killing a princess with them. Sansa is a princess and set up to royally screw him over in some form.)Arya promised never to kill her sister. The Faceless men don't have sisters. take from that what you will.Interesting, perhaps they will send Arya and she won't go through with it and they will off Littlefinger? We know that she is maybe capable of having the FM think that she is ready, but deep down remembers. Its a longshot but thats not bad as far as out on a limb theories goIt is stated somewhere about FM not killing anyone they "know", but that is a bit ambiguous considering the training curriculum we've seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candor Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 My end of series predictions:Tyrion Lannister:Probably alive, hello plot armor and GRRM's favorite character status! It's debatable where his personality will be in terms of good/bad, mopey/adjusted. Jon Snow:Either he or Daenerys are going to die, if not both. Both will not live, not in this story. Of them I think Jon is more likely to bite the bullet.Arya Stark:I JUST DON'T KNOW! Goddamn Arya, stop getting into scary situations! You make me feel as if you will die, and that is cruel but maybe you wouldn't want to live in a world without Jon. Ughhh. :crying: Sansa Stark: I think there have been small things in her chapters that seem to indicate a long-term plan for Sansa, one that would require her to be alive. It is debateable if she'll be a Lady, a Queen, or untitled, but I think GRRM intends to keep her alive... and gods since he seems to want to kill off the rest of my favorite characters it would be nice if he left me at least ONE. Bran Stark: Alive as a tree, most likely, replacing Bloodraven's spot. Small shot of him coming back to be Lord of WF, but that possibility seems more and more crackpot to me each time I read his chapters. Frankly put, I think he's too far out of reach to be attacked and killed by someone.Davos Seaworth:Davos and Stannis remind me of Dunk and Egg in a vague way, and I think the ending will be the same. If they go down, they both go down. It'll probably be tragic, damn you GRRM for probably killin off my favorite male characters! :crying:Theon Greyjoy:Dead and at peace.Asha Greyjoy:Alive, and probably in a ruling position. Brienne of Tarth: I think her, Jaime, and Cersei are all going down by the end of the series. Neither seems to have a future without someone else of the three alive, and they all seem on collision courses ending in a tragic death (depth of tragedy being related to how much the reader may or may not care about the person). I think Cersei's prophecy will come true, with her end. Brienne probably does something related to Jaime or dies for an oath, I would not much be surprised. Jaime is the valonquar, will die trying to reclaim honor, or be a victim of Lady Stoneheart (which I actually think is unlikely). Samwell Tarly:Almost dead certain he's going to be alive and ruling the citadel or being a Grand Maester. PLEASE TAKE A CELIBACY VOW, SAM! no more ....fat... pink... mast...please, think of the children! :frown5: Cersei Lannister: see "Brienne" Jaime Lannister: see "Brienne"Daenerys Targaryen:Dead, or ruling. I also think at least one of her or Jon is going to die, if not both. I SINCERELY doubt both will live. One or both has to go. The world is not big enough. Areo Hotah:I don't see Oreo Hotwings / Areo Hotah lasting much longer than Doran does, to be honest. Arianne Martell:I give her half-half odds. I still think she's in some danger based on what she's doing at the beginning of TWOW, or rather, who she is around, she could be come a hostage and that is a bad situation in these novels.Jon Connington:He has grayscale, which bodes ill, and his purpose seems to be giving us a POV window into Aegon while we don't have one, because Tyrion isn't with them, and they aren't in the general vicinity of a different POV. Once one shows up, I think most of JC's purpose will be served. Once that has happened and he has fulfilled his duty to Aegon, he can go to the afterlife and be with his boyfriend Rhaegar. Aeron Greyjoy:Partially wishful thinking... :devil: ... but also genuinely think he will go down. Probably fails trying to fight Euron in some way, or dies unleashing something mystical. Maybe............A KRAKEN!!! :devil: :devil: :devil:Victarion Greyjoy:Dead, probably dies fighting. :devil: (I don't have an unnatural love of the :devil:, I swear!.........nope, I was going to put it again, but I have restraint)Barristan Selmy: He is older, and he said all the way back in the earlier end of the series he would die a knight. I believe he will.Melisandre:She will probably get caught up in one of a few things. Either Stannis fails and she goes down on that ship. Someone who wants to suceeds in killing her, or some sort of magic perhaps during the battle with the Others she is felled. Finally, she could very well die in the confines of her own religion, acting as Nissa Nissa to someone (probably Stannis, perhaps Jon if the story turns that way). Ironic ending would be if she is burned by a dragon. SO THAT IS...Dead: Jon, Arya, Davos, Theon, Brienne, Cersei, Jaime, Areo Hotah, Jon Connington, Aeron, Victarion, Barristan, Melisandre.Alive: Tyrion, Sansa, Bran, Asha, Samwell, Daenerys (maybe), & Arianne.It is looking bleak. :crying: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Tyrion Lannister :frown5: sad to say I don't think he will make it to the end; his current drive to get his revenge on his siblings will be the death of himJon Snow - he's not dead, and he'll make itArya Stark - not sure; she may die or she may completely lose her identitySansa Stark - probably will make itBran Stark - not sure, similar to AryaDavos Seaworth - despite the fact that he constantly thinks of his family, he has survived so far, quite surprisingly; he'll make itTheon Greyjoy - the bastard will make itAsha Greyjoy - probably killed by Theon or EuronBrienne of Tarth - killed by JaimeSamwell Tarly - somehow he will make itCersei Lannister - Maggy's prophecy will come trueJaime Lannister - he'll make it showing that the whole twin connection with Cersei was meaningless in the endDaenerys Targaryen - not sureAreo Hotah - not sure, but when Doran dies there won't be much use for himArienne Martell - to me it seems like the Martells are the second most tragic family after the StarksJon Connington - first POV we knew was going to die from his first chapterAeron Greyjoy - the guy is a loon; he won't last much longerVictarion Greyjoy - don't see how he can make it; he is as selfish as any character, but not as clever as othersBarristan Selmy - not sureMelisandre - too many mistakes; the gods remember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salt Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Someone's POV can end without them dying. I wouldnt be surprised if we see no more Areo Hotah POV chapters, but I'm not sure hes really important enough to demand a death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Baratheon Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I get the feeling that POV characters who have shown character flaws prior to this--Jaimie, Selmy and Theon specifically--will die valiantly to redeem themselves and I think that characters who have yet to do anything great--Samwell, Arya, Hotah...well not Hotah--will live on so that they can do surprisingly great things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkash Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Aeron Greyjoy:Partially wishful thinking... :devil: ... but also genuinely think he will go down. Probably fails trying to fight Euron in some way, or dies unleashing something mystical. Maybe............A KRAKEN!!! :devil: :devil: :devil:Damn, imagine a fight between Euron and all his knowledge and skills and a Kraken... Euron'd win I guess! ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingK Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 As long as Arya lives, I'll be able to carry on.If Arya dies I will walk inside GRRM's house and personally knock over his magazine rack, throw a copy of the book against the wall, yell some expletives, and walk out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mother of The Others Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Good topic. Others have done a good job of picking the wrestlemania winners and losers. I'd just add that killing POVs off isn't the only way to cut down the clutter. Larger groups of main characters might start gathering together to include everybody without as many POVs. The Greyjoys, for instance, may all start working on the same scheme, so Damphair would just be seen summoning kraken in the background of Asha's POV as The Reader holds up the spell book for Aeron and Theon takes a shower off to the side of the ship using sea water so his stink doesn't scare off the kraken. Jaime & Brienne could fold into one (non-sexually)---perhaps add even more people to form an entire squad of hero types who could rally together to turn the tide, while we wonder which of them is AA. (Get all the potential AA's in the same place to audition, like how they have that group sing-off week on American Idle.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fey Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 If any of the Starks die then :crying: If any of them do die, I hope it's in the last book (and I hope it's anyone but Sansa :drunk:)As much as I'd love for Brienne and Jaime to make sweet love and have babies, I can definitely see one or both of them die. And I definitely don't see the series ending with Cersei living.Dany, Jon, and Tyrion could go either way, but I think it's wayyy too optimistic to think all three of them will make it to the end. I think the three will at least make it to the final book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1234567 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Tyrion Lannister: may possibly die in the final book, but his plot armour seems to be made of adamantium.Jon Snow: Die or left bitter. He and Dany can't both live.Arya Stark: Dead in the last book. Right at the end. In the snow. With needle in her hand. Killed by the Kindly man. For trying to leave Hotel California.Sansa Stark: By the end of the song: Queen or living in the Fingers as Alyane Stone.Bran Stark: Right where he is now. Only alone.Davos Seaworth: Alive.....oh please alive. Even if only for one more book.Theon Greyjoy: Dies. But puts an arrow or two through Ramsay first.Asha Greyjoy: Not sureBrienne of Tarth: DeadSamwell Tarly: MaesterCersei Lannister: Dead, but in the next book.Jaime Lannister:DeadDaenerys Targaryen: May finally land in Westeros and then die in the last book. Probably in childbirth.Areo Hotah: Will die in the last book. POV for the Sand Snakes in KL.Arienne Martell: DeadJon Connington: DeadAeron Greyjoy: Dead. In next book.Victarion Greyjoy: Dead: Dragon Snackette.Barristan Selmy: I think he will be needed in KL before he dies.Melisandre: Dead: Life essence bringing back Jon.Special mention:Stannis: Hand of the King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reeahlia Sand Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Characters I think will die POV and others:VictarionEuronStannisDavosSelmyUnCatSandorPetyrDoranJorahCerseiTheonRamsayRooseWalder FreyRobert StrongBiterMelJon ConningtonAegon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Tyrion Lannister: Might die eventually but not in WoWJon Snow: Might die eventually but not in WoWArya Stark: Might die eventually but not in WoWSansa Stark: Will probably surviveBran Stark: I can see him dying or turning into a treeDavos Seaworth: I want him to survive and actually think he willTheon Greyjoy: I don't see him making it; could very well die in WoWAsha Greyjoy: I actually think she'll surviveBrienne of Tarth: One of my picks to dieSamwell Tarly: Will probably surviveCersei Lannister: One of my picks to dieJaime Lannister: One of my picks to dieDaenerys Targaryen: Might die eventually but not in WoWAreo Hotah: This POV would be an easy one to axArianne Martell: Could die eventually but I think he'll keep a Martell POVJon Connington: I'm expecting him to die in WoWAeron Greyjoy: Also expecting him to die in WoW; too many GreyjoysVictarion Greyjoy: I think he's doomed in the long run but not sure whenBarristan Selmy: I think he'll die defending MeereenMelisandre: Might die but not yetSo adding up:My Picks to Die in WoW: Jaime, Brienne, Cersei, Theon, Areo, Connington, Aeron, BarristanPeople Who Might Die But Not Now: Tyrion, Jon, Arya, Bran, Dany, Arianne, Victarion, MelisandrePeople Who I Think Will Make It: Sansa, Davos, Asha, Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reeahlia Sand Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I have a feeling Jaime will live and redeem himself. Or maybe he will redeem myself and die a la Boromir. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val the Wildling Princess Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I'm being optimistic: All the Stark children will make it, yeah, Jon included :wub: the Greyjoys are gonna die, all of them except Asha probably. Stannis and Melisandre, down, Davos will survive and will go back home with his wife and kids. Daenerys, dead, dead, very dead (sorry, can't help it) :D Jaime will die probably after Cersei. Tyrion will survive. Brienne lives. LF and Varys, dead. Jon Con, dead. Arianne lives, Doran dies and so does ser barristan. Samwell lives. All remaining direwolves live (they better). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter's Lady Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I don't think narrowing down the POVs necessarily means that they have to die. Some could meet up and just merge into one POV (The Mother of the Others said it more eloquently^^). Others might just disappear and never be spoken of again(Aeron, Areo...please???) and we just hear about them from other perspectives.I also think only one of the "great three" will live in the end, my hopes are on Jon, but he seems to be the tragic hero who sacrifices himself for the greater good in the end...ugh say it ain't so! :crying:Also likely to die IMHO are Theon (and that would be a mercy for the poor guy right now, oh I just had a crackpot idea..must think more about it), Cersei, Brienne. Probably a hell of a lot more but I'm too lazy to think of more right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Jon Snarkgaryen Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Sorry to burst your bubble people, but although TWOW being a bloodbath would be awesome in so many ways, and really cool to see, you're all forgetting one very, very important thing. GRRM is starting to group his characters together again, meaning he can tell the stories of more than one character (POV character or otherwise) at a time even though it's only one POV character's chapter. This way, he can kill two birds (or three or four) with one stone, so to speak.Grouped-together possibilities, numbered by POV's necessary:------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Jon, Mel, and Bran, Coldhands, Bloodraven, CotF, the Others, Benjen (maybe), Meera and Jojen as well, could all potentially share one chapter (or one set of chapters), told from the POV of any one of them, if they all have dialogue - a certain amount of insight can be determined into a character even if we are not reading ther POV and "hearing" their thoughtsTyrion, Dany, Jorah, Barristan, Victarion (if GRRM has all five of these characters, for example, meeting in a room and sharing dialogue, he takes awaay the need for a POV chapter for each of them explaining their perspective of said meeting)Asha, Theon, Stannis, and maybe the Winterfell folk as well (Ramsay, Roose, etc...), if they bring war to Stannis' holdfastSansa, LittlefingerBrienne, Jaime, Un!CatCersei, Lady Nym, Tyene, Un!Gregor, Margaery, Tommen, Mace, Randyll, the High Septon, Qyburn, Varys, Bronn, ShaggaSamwell, Jaqen H'ghar, Alleras/SarellaArianne, Jon Connington, YG/Aegon VI, LorasDoran, Areo, MyrcellaDavos, Rickon, OshaWyman Manderly, Mance, Roose, Ramsaythe Blackfish, Jeyne Westerling (with baby Robb Jr. ;) ), Raynald Westerling (wishful thinking)Howland Reed, Maege Mormont, Galbart GloverEuron, Garlan (maybe)AeronArya-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------So as you can see, I have separated the groups of characters into, well, separate groups. 16 groups to be precise - basically by geographic location. GRRM said that the divide we saw between AFFC and ADWD would end in ADWD, but all that means is that we won't have major characters left out again. It could still mean having separate groups separated by large geographic distances, as we've seen ever since AGOT. If TWOW proves to be a long book, and GRRM keeps each of his chapters under the 15 or 20 page range average, then there could be approximately three chapters per set of characters (locations), theoretically.As far as I can tell, the only two characters who are, strictly speaking, geographically limited to not sharing chapters with other major (or even minor, but beloved) characters, are Aeron and Arya, simply because no one else is near where they are.Maybe there won't be a bloodbath at all. After all, isn't a climactic "bloodbath" book (or chapter) of a series too much like typical fantasy? In all fantasy (LotR, H.P. Lovecraft, etc...), even Young Adult stuff (see Harry Potter, Twilight, Hunger Games, Narnia, etc...), there's always a "showdown" of some kind, before the very last chapter, or before the very last book. Isn't that kind of cliche? Some sort of "all hell breaks loose" battle.....?Don't we love GRRM because he doesn't do the typical? There's no guarantee that anyone will die in TWOW at all.Poke holes in it if you want, but there's no denying my theory makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisDantas Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I have a feeling that roughly half of these are going to be dead by the end of the eighth book. Any bets on who?I don't know that "culling" means killing them necessarily.But about those names:Those who are likely to survive all the way to the endTyrion LannisterJon SnowArya StarkSansa StarkBran StarkDavos SeaworthSamwell TarlyJaime LannisterDaenerys TargaryenJon Connington (mainly because we need his POV to folow his group) Those who I hope will die soonThose who are likely to dieTheon GreyjoyAsha Greyjoy (I have a hunch she won't, however)Brienne of TarthCersei Lannister - nearly certain about herAeron Greyjoy - not much for him to do at this pointVictarion GreyjoyBarristan SelmyMelisandre - her survival odds were never great, and she does little to improve them Those who may well simply cease to be POV charactersAreo HotahArianne Martell - I bet she will no longer be a POV, or at least not often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solaris Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Tyrion Lannister- Will get Casterly Rock and in charge of mini Daenerys (brotha is just too smart to not be needed) yes he finds where whores go and Tysha who turns out to be (much to Tyrions JOY) a bastard daughter of Lord Tarbeck she is legitimised, they marry AGAIN have 9 children.Jon Snow - Puts a bun in Dany's oven but is king on the otherside of the wallArya Stark - MIA, after she finishes her hit list it will end with "all they found was needle in the snow and foot prints leading off into the sunset" she is a faceless woman you never know when she will pop up - a reliable source says she has been seen hanging around storms end...Sansa Stark - will stay married to Tyrion for political reasons for a short time but an annulment is sought by both parties whilst she is in Winterfell helping raise Rickon, Tommen and Robert Arryn. She becomes Queen of everything, by some excellent manouvering taught to her by LF. She marries Wyllas Tyrell although who is the father of her 4 children is questionable..... :unsure:Bran Stark - ghost in the trees fo eva!Davos Seaworth - retires with his missus and kids when stannis keels overTheon Greyjoy - ran like the bitch he is with fake Arya into the wilderness where they die of old age (I did this for Jeyne, I feel sorry for her she needs some tenderness and after being abused like that only Theon can understand)Asha Greyjoy - Will rule the Iron Isle with a big fat iron woman fist she will probably marry someone from the north to seal pactsBrienne of Tarth - death by ambush number 10 escorting Sansa, Arya, Sandor the monk ( :ack: ), injured Jamie and the head of the frankengregor to CatelynRickon Stark - Lord of Winterfell marries a Skagos woman has 9 kids alsoSamwell Tarly - Grand Maester on the WallCersei Lannister - WIll be raped and killed by TyrionJaime Lannister - Will die defending Tommen when Dany eventually takes KL will have the most epic entry in the white book, entered in by Barristan himself! There shall be a shrine in his honor which exhonorates him for all time for offing Dany's daddyo.Daenerys Targaryen - Will die giving birth to Jon Snows baby, this nameless lump of pink squalling flesh shall be a KING but of what we do not know!? Nah, this is our new Lord of Dragonstone.Areo Hotah - just deadArienne Martell - dead after marrying Aegon-who-got-nowhere-in-the-end-because-of-his-undead-army-TargaryenJon Connington - death by greyscale not before unleashing nasty grey army in westeros however he lives on in memory as that lovely garden ornament under the 1/2 dead weirwood tree back home.Aeron Greyjoy - death by krakenVictarion Greyjoy - death by dragonBarristan Selmy - dies of old old old age raising Daenery's child on Dragonstone whilst teaching the boy to joust (he said he wanted to die a knight so sue me)Melisandre - death by GhostStannis - dead from too much shadow making however Stannis hired army arrives in time for the war at the wallShireen - walking dead.Selyse - bye bye back to the Florents but is beaten, publicly humilated then exiled for attempting to burn the septs and wierwoods in her locale. Last seen on a ship heading to Asshai.Catelyn - will die PERMANENT LIKE after every single person that had a hand in the destruction of her family are butchered BUT not before she finds Ned's bones and walks her arse back to Winterfell, commissions a statue that looks like her and gets into her own grave unassisted. (its the least she can do considering the trouble she has caused)Robert Arryn - dies at 18 falling out of his moon door whilst having one of his fits :crying: survived by his suffering Skagos clan wife (who is Rickon's wife's sister) and twin boys (most excellent marriages arranged by Sansa).Littlefinger - death by Sansa & Arya simultaniously all lands and title go to Robert Arryn as his 'step son' and only heir (mwuahahaha)Euron Greyjoy - got fresh with Dany resulted in death by Drogon or even Jorah... bit o both reallyJorah - Death by Jon Snow, but gets his message about his dad whilst Jon is sticking him with the pointy end of longclawAegon - killed by accident was gonna be kingTommen - goes with Sansa he will never marry but has a good mate called Ser Eric the WonderfulMyrcella - returns to Westeros and becomes a Septa and is then employed by Tyrion to raise his brood.Sandor - is Sansa's personal body guard fo eva and evaVarys - will remain the keeper of whispersBoltons - all dead executed by Nymeria's super pack, stripped of title and lands handed over to the ManderleysFrey's - mostly butchered by the outlaws by order of Catelyn the undead, stripped of all lands, they get to keep their title just to rub it in but all children become wards to more honorable houses namely STARK & TULLY bannermen (now that's what I call payback) no children are harmed as a result of this decision.Tully's - restored all lands and given the twinsBenjen Stark - is the KING of the OTHERS and he may or may not be deadPenny - pale mare....Gendry - is legitimised in appreciation of his efforts in the war, he gets a purple heart and all lands and title awarded he gathers all his little siblings still alive and they live happily ever after.....Daario - death by Jorahany man that remotely looks at dany - death by JorahNymeria - last seen with her pack and Arya in the vicinity of the stormlands.Ghost - finds another direlady they have puppies and there is just enough of them out of all the litters they have till death to go to every single Stark child including a very special surprise for Sansa (can I get an aaaawwwwwww ty)Just sayin.................................................... it would be nice :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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