mormont Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 john,: after a year in which we've seen people straight-facedly asserting that the entire assets of Rangers plc are worth £5m (only to have them magically rise to £50m in a matter of weeks), that a law titled 'Transfer of Undertaking (Protection of Employees)' actually has the effect of harming employees' rights, that players who took a 75% pay cut so Rangers could finish the season were 'turncoats' and 'scabs', that there will be riots in the streets if Rangers aren't allowed to play professional football, that an idea they had formerly condemned as the ruin of the game was now the salvation of it - but only so long as people were nice to Rangers, and various other impossible, implausible or utterly ridiculous things, very little would surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex. Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 JUSTICE 4 ANTON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigima Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Here is the current BBC story on the Rangers vote if anyone is interested. 25 of the 30 SFL clubs voted for the Third Division plan, including Dunfermline.What if any sanctions remain on Rangers Jr. at this point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Hey, I thought Terry's defence was the flimsiest load of rubbish I've ever heard in my entire life, but apparently it's entirely plausible that JT thought Anton Ferdinand had called him a 'black c*nt' and was only 'sarcastically repeating' it. :rolleyes:Ini: depends how we define 'sanctions'. Being unable to play in Europe for three years is not, whatever the Rangers fans may think, a sanction, but it remains the case. Apparently newGers have agreed to pay the £160,000 disciplinary fine oldGers incurred. Apart from that, the SFA disciplinary tribunal is supposed to be reconvening to replace the transfer ban with another sanction, but the SFA (as I noted earlier) have been incredibly quiet about that and about whether it would apply to newGers anyway. The SPL might impose some sanction for the dual contracts, but again it's unclear if that would apply to newGers.So basically, if you're a Rangers fan you think your club has been kicked all over the shop in all sorts of ways, but objectively, the only thing that is technically a sanction is the £160,000 fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 john,: after a year in which we've seen people straight-facedly asserting that the entire assets of Rangers plc are worth £5m (only to have them magically rise to £50m in a matter of weeks), that a law titled 'Transfer of Undertaking (Protection of Employees)' actually has the effect of harming employees' rights, that players who took a 75% pay cut so Rangers could finish the season were 'turncoats' and 'scabs', that there will be riots in the streets if Rangers aren't allowed to play professional football, that an idea they had formerly condemned as the ruin of the game was now the salvation of it - but only so long as people were nice to Rangers, and various other impossible, implausible or utterly ridiculous things, very little would surprise me. But despite all that, the right decision does seem to have been made. Or at least the best possible one under the circumstances. SFL CHIEF EXECUTIVE DAVID LONGMUIR "Today has been one of the most difficult decisions to be made by all concerned. The decision has been taken in the interest of sporting fairness. I am comfortable that the Scottish Football League has made a very decisive decision." yeah, a really decisive decision it was. :lol: JUSTICE 4 ANTON That's done too. He got away with it. A great day for integrity. :worried: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex. Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Yeah, football wasn't exactly the winner today, was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigima Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 The Terry thing seems like a bit of a ridiculous outcome, but it's still weird to me that you can actually be put on trial for that -- would never fly here -- even if you're plainly guilty, so that one doesn't bother me so much.I'm still quite annoyed that Rangers Jr. has got off so lightly. £160,000 for all they did is a farce. It's insane to me that nothing is coming of the EBT schemes alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex. Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Can't wait until they start proceedings on Mondays to think of ways of getting Rangers back in the SPL. Guaranteed to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 The EBT thing is the SPL's responsibility, and it's too soon to say if nothing has come of that. That might be the result, but then again it might not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigima Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 I'm a little shocked the players aren't liable for it. It's basically tax evasion, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 The lawyer who set up the EBT schemes was disbarred and became a pornstar. So that's something.If the scheme was used illiegally that would potentially affect ex-players, BBC pundits, SFA executives, groundsmen, whoever. There were a lot of beneficiaries.The John Terry thing -I wouldn't have found him criminally liable either. But if the case had been held in Scotland, I'd definitely be hustling for a not proven verdict.#fairestjusticesystemintheworld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iskaral Pust Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Suarez pled that what he said has no negative/racist connotations in his culture, with some independent support for the cultural differentiation. Terry pled he said somthing without racist intent even though it is widely viewed as racist in his culture.So presumably Terry will be notified of his 8 game ban forthwith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iceman of the North Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 RANGERS STATEMENT ON CLUB WEBSITE"Rangers' future remains uncertain after the Scottish Football League clubs voted against the Light Blues playing in the First Division next season."At a meeting at Hampden today, the 30 member clubs agreed to accept Rangers into the SFL but voted against the SFL board being allowed to broker a deal with the SPL and SFA over new structures and procedures which would also include Rangers playing in Division One."It is now understood that on the back of a briefing SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster and SFA counterpart Stewart Regan gave to clubs last week that the SPL will introduce a plan for SPL 2 - which would include Rangers - and invite existing Division One members to join."Whoever said this was done?ETA: Seems like they're back-pedalling like hell after this statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex. Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gnm/op/sBCJD-be6JmT9CuuCukyCgg/view.m?id=15&gid=football/2012/jul/13/rangers-scottish-third-division&cat=sport"SPL2"Called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Can you really say 'called' when everyone else was also calling it? ;)That said, the article doesn't have much that's new - these rumours have mostly been going around since even before the SFL vote. Clyde referred to them indirectly in a statement before the vote, as did Dunfermline. The only arguably new bit in the Guardian article is the specific suggestion that it's on the agenda for Monday.And I can well believe that it is. Neil Doncaster, after all, is desperate to get Sevco Rangers back into the SPL and as chief exec he controls the agenda. He can put anything he likes on it. But there are three problems. First, will the SPL chairmen actually vote for it? There's no doubt that their fans would regard doing so as effectively a reversal of their previous position: sure, Sevco Rangers wouldn't be in the top division, but the perception would be that the SPL chairmen had rescued them for financial reasons. Second, who would actually be in SPL2, apart from Sevco Rangers? The indications coming from some of the First Division clubs are that they wouldn't be prepared to join SPL2 under these circumstances. And third, how do you get it set up in by August 4th? Surely that's impossible. If the proposal is to introduce an SPL2 next season, that's different - but that would surely involve two seasons out of the top flight for Sevco Rangers, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigima Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 As mormont says, this article doesn't say anything new. The only suggestion since Doncaster brought it up a while ago that this would be discussed -- Monday or otherwise -- was Rangers' statement, and Green is a slimy, lying fuckball who will say anything. No one else has brought it up again. (Green also describes the Third Division as the "ultimate punishment," which of course it isn't. Rangers don't even meet the requirements to do that, and are fortunate it was allowed.Ally McCoist struck the only really plausible tone in that article. Let's not panic just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 So here's what appears to have happened at the meeting on Friday:Speaking under condition of anonymity, Charles Green told the SFL chairmen that Stewart Regan (SFA chief exec, for those following at home) had told him before the meeting that there was "no way" Sevco Rangers would be playing in Division 3 next season. The clear implication was that a 'fix' would be found - probably the SPL2 proposal - no matter what the SFL chairmen decided.As a result, a motion of 'no confidence' in Mr Regan was proposed and seconded from the floor. The chair of the meeting ruled it out of order, as he felt an SFL meeting wasn't the appropriate venue for this. However, there seems little doubt that a number of SFL chairmen have completely lost faith in the SFA's leadership under Mr Regan.Meanwhile, Hearts and Dundee United have both gone on the record as saying that they wouldn't support an SPL2 proposal at this time and under these circumstances. Even if enough willing SFL clubs could be found - and many of the most likely candidates, including Raith Rovers, have already said they wouldn't join - Neil Doncaster would need eight SPL clubs to vote for it, which means five votes against (or abstentions) kill the idea. That's two already, and I think it's unlikely that six or seven clubs of the remaining nine are going to go for it. Which could also leave Mr Doncaster in an untenable position... here's hoping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajamieson Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 The most important question about the whole Rangers debacle remains unanswered.How the fuck are they going to deal with this in Football Manager 2013? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 newcastle make offer to take andy carroll on loan with a view to making it permanent. i hope we only offer about £15 million and giggle. i'd think a swap involving demba ba would be on the cards. i'm thinking cisse running onto carroll's knock downs would be a thing of beauty, unless you are an opposing defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigima Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Oh dear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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