NedStark2013 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Yes setting Starks on fire seems a bit mad and cruel but look in all the goings on in the game of thrones. Is it wise or madness to just simply kill those you think could be a threat. I mean the Starks threatened him and he responded likely thinking it be a good message. In the Game Of Thrones maybe its best to just burn the hydra so it can't have so many heads. What I mean is in the Game Of Thrones there is too many Hydra heads after the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I have a pet theory that Varys deliberately fed Aerys' paranoia (Pycelle says there are things about the eunuch that'd make Tyrion's blood run cold, plus Jaime talks of Varys pointing out traitors). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danm_999 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 But they weren't hydra heads. They were people.Whilst you can probably make an argument that Aerys might have needed to kill Brandon, the madness lies in the fact he felt he needed to kill all these other people on top. Every lord that accompanied Brandon, regardless of whether they were from the North, the Riverlands, or the Vale, was also executed, save for Ethan Glover.Then Aerys decided he needed to kill Ned and Robert, who had zero to do with the incident, putting himself on the wrong side of the Starks, Tully's, Baratheons and Arryns. I'm guessing if they had been served up, he'd also have wanted to kill Stannis and Benjen next. This is a person who has lost the ability to process his emotions rationally, and doesn't realise that willy nilly executing high lords isn't going to stop a rebellion, it's going to start one.Pile on top of that the fact Aerys got aroused by the act of burning people, and that he planned to destroy King's Landing. Aerys was mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gauis Julius Caesar Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 nuttier than squirrel poop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanml82 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 He was right in believing there was a conspiracy against him because, well, there was one. If anything, the intermarriages between Houses Baratheon, Tully, Arryn and Stark, plus the Lannisters wanting in, point in that direction. Appointing Jaime in the Kingsguard and going to the Harrenhal tournament were good calls. He failed to accommodate Cersei and thus trying to ingratiate with Tywin, but there is the question if he could accommodate Cersei without alienating the far more reliable Dornish.His abuse of his wife, burning of Rickard Stark, execution of the nobles accompanying Brandon, execution of Brandon (instead of keeping him hostage), demand of Ned and Robert's heads, letting his nails grow and attempt to destroy King's Landing, on the other hand, point towards the idea that he was, indeed, mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of Judah Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 His reign started off very promising, but the defiance of Duskendale changed him. Once he became mad there was no going back and his actions were such that some of the more respected Lords of the realm sort to overthrow him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSouthEastWesteros Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 His fingernails are enough to convince me of his madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NedStark2013 Posted March 31, 2013 Author Share Posted March 31, 2013 I am sure Dany feed by Viserys the lies of Targ betrayle will have this view that he was betrayed and Murdered. But would she want the throne if finds out he was a monster and stopping him was the only way.I am not convinced she is Aerys daughter. I think her mother and Barristan had a thing. Its not the first time a body guard loved a queen likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSouthEastWesteros Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I am sure Dany feed by Viserys the lies of Targ betrayle will have this view that he was betrayed and Murdered. But would she want the throne if finds out he was a monster and stopping him was the only way.I am not convinced she is Aerys daughter. I think her mother and Barristan had a thing. Its not the first time a body guard loved a queen likely.But Barristan loved Ashara Dayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay B. Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Yeah, he seemed pretty mad to me after Duskendale. As Barristan pointed out, Aerys rot began with Varys's whispers(or something to that effect). Probably why Varys didn't want Tywin to enter KL, Varys manipulating Aerys was probably easy as hell for the Spider since he was mad at that point. Easy pickings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not in the face Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Actually if he really was crazy, why not let Brandon fight his son? He went to Harenhal because he thought it was a pretext for Rhaegar to gather support for ousting Aerys himself from all the other lords gathered for the tourney. It seems like a win win from his angle. Brandon wins, that's one less traitor and the other lords won't move against Aerys without Rhaegar to lead them. Rhaegar wins and it would seem his loyalty to his father is proven. He could also demand Rhaegar return Lyanna as a compromise to appease Lord Rickard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Aerys was already cry-cry by the time Varys got there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 he planned to burn an entire city to the ground out of spite, because he knew he had lost the war at that pointso yes he was mad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Is Septon Cellador really a drunk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalalOfDorne Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Killing every person you think is a threat is mad, even if he wasnt a threat. And dont forget that they were highborns, meaning he was carelessly provoking the Lords who have the most powerful armies. If thats not mad then its just extreme incompetence. I doubt it though since it is said that he started ok.Whether Varys did something to feed him paranoia I dont think we can answer that unless we know when was Varys hired by Aerys after Duskendale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ororo727 Jon Snow Fangirl Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Explain the savage rapes of Rhaella? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarkDragon Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Whatever happened at Duskendale made him spiteful, perhaps madly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardhome Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Did he know fire kills almost everyone? It does not kill Dany, could it kill him?What do we know of Lyanna's willingness to stay with Aery's son? His allowing or forcing her to stay with him makes quite a bit of difference. Another thing about Aerys we have heard he did not seem to tolerate looting smallfolk from troops who supported him in the war. I'm not saying he wasn't somewhat crazy but his madness is overstated in the eyes of some and underwelming to others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterKing Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Probably it was a mix of a genetic tendency, a fear of being deposed, the actual experience of being held prisioner by his vassal and someone constantly whispering in his ear.After all it is not the first case of a monarch gone mad for fear of deposing(Herod,D. Maria the Mad of Portugal,etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfell Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 His fingernails are enough to convince me of his madness. :agree:This was my first thought. And yeah, not only was the killing excessive, but he was clearly indulging his pyromania and getting off on it. I'm sure that Varys was gaslighting the hell out of him but there are definitely signs that his madness was something internal to Aerys too, like trying to blow up KL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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