SilentSense Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 No, because it's too violent for her."Every person I know" isn't a representative sample. Rest assured that HBO have a better grasp on customer preferences than you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ugashep Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Last night's episode should have been called: "And now his crotch is ended" to harken back to episode 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalessi Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I do feel sorry for Theon. I am suprised some people still think he deserves what he's getting. Maybe he deserves to die but man I don't think anyone deserves this level of cruelty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flinn Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 No, because it's too violent for her."Every person I know" isn't a representative sample. Rest assured that HBO have a better grasp on customer preferences than you do. Im sorry, I forgot HBO is perfect. I guess that is why Girls is such a big hit...I guess that is why Oz is still running....Who could live without watching that great series Pacific.... so on and on and on and on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I'm worried about the Theon arc this season. I have been fine with it personally, but it hasn't gone over well with those who haven't read the book. I've seen/read it over and over that they are tired of it and that it isn't going anywhere. Does it take having read the book to understand what is happening.And the thing is, I don't know what else they could have done. They can't do flashbacks like they did in the book. They can't have the actor sit on his hands for most of two seasons. They HAD to show this, and I'm not sure how they could have shown it any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSense Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Im sorry, I forgot HBO is perfect. I guess that is why Girls is such a big hit...I guess that is why Oz is still running....Who could live without watching that great series Pacific....so on and on and on and onI said HBO know more about customer preferences than you do, that hardly requires perfection. You give yourself way too much credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urine Greyjoy Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Last night's episode should have been called: "And now his crotch is ended" to harken back to episode 4.Lol, or 'Cripples, Bastards and Broken Thingies'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas Stark Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I'm worried about the Theon arc this season. I have been fine with it personally, but it hasn't gone over well with those who haven't read the book. I've seen/read it over and over that they are tired of it and that it isn't going anywhere. Does it take having read the book to understand what is happening.And the thing is, I don't know what else they could have done. They can't do flashbacks like they did in the book. They can't have the actor sit on his hands for most of two seasons. They HAD to show this, and I'm not sure how they could have shown it any better.Here's how:Theon is being tortured.A woman comes to him and helps him escape, they are captured she is killed. [this is more faithful to the books and doesn't mandate the dumb 'OMG who is the boy' secret.Theon gets taken back to the Dreadfort, Theon is tortured some more, this time by Ramsey Bolton, who has now IDd himself.That is already more variation and closer to the books, but it seems the show thinks the Ramsey secret is super, super clever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lojzelote Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I wonder what they're planning to do with Theon's storyline next season. They cannot seriously intend to have him tortured for two seasons, can they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aFeastForDragons Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 This was very obvious from all the clues in ADWD and now George has confirmed it. It makes me wonder how many more things will get confirmed in the next few seasons before ADOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendoza Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I think when all is said and done, Alfie Allen is going to be looked at as the best male actor on this show. He's willing to go there with Theon and soon enough Reek. Its an amazing story arch and I'm exicted to see the Dance stuff adapted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khal Pono Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I have some questions to ask those complaining about the gratuitous Theon torture scenes. I should preface this by saying I'm not a big fan of the Theon scenes in Season 3--and I actually consider myself a fan of so called "torture porn" horror movies, gore flicks, 70s rape revenge films and so forth. On the plus side Rheon plays the wacky sadist weirdo to a tee... I almost get shades of Jack Nicholson's and Heath Ledger's Joker, especially when he blows that horn. But the scenes are too repetitive, and they don't really go anywhere. Yes, I get all that. But here's the question that no one is answering:What would you have them show instead? Assume the following: Leaving Theon out of season 3 and most of 4 is NOT an option. We can't just "have it be like it is in the books" where Theon disappears for a long time and suddenly re-appears in Book 5, where his torture is just an icky memory and not graphically described onscreen. I know you people are saying just show more Jon Snow or Dany or Arya or Davos instead, but ACCEPT THAT THEY CAN'T DO THAT. ASSUME Alfie Allen has a contract, he's a big deal as an actor, and ASSUME they agreed to give him significant screen time in every season whether you like it or not. At least one long scene in say, at least 6 out 10 episodes.Under these constraints (I know you don't like them and want it to be EXACTLY like the books, but accept for a moment the realities of production/contracts, etc.), what would you have them show Theon doing instead?Waiting for an answer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flinn Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I have some questions to ask those complaining about the gratuitous Theon torture scenes. I should preface this by saying I'm not a big fan of the Theon scenes in Season 3--and I actually consider myself a fan of so called "torture porn" horror movies, gore flicks, 70s rape revenge films and so forth. On the plus side Rheon plays the wacky sadist weirdo to a tee... I almost get shades of Jack Nicholson's and Heath Ledger's Joker, especially when he blows that horn. But the scenes are too repetitive, and they don't really go anywhere. Yes, I get all that. But here's the question that no one is answering:What would you have them show instead? Assume the following: Leaving Theon out of season 3 and most of 4 is NOT an option. We can't just "have it be like it is in the books" where Theon disappears for a long time and suddenly re-appears in Book 5, where his torture is just an icky memory and not graphically described onscreen. ACCEPT THAT THEY CAN'T DO THAT. Alfie Allen has a contract, he's a big deal as an actor, and ASSUME they agreed to give him significant screen time in every seaon. At least one long scene in say, at least 6 out 10 episodes.Under these constraints (I know you don't like them and want it to be EXACTLY like the books, but accept for a moment the realities of production/contracts, etc.), what would you have them show Theon doing instead?Waiting for an answer... I am more than fine that they are showing it now. It makes me more than hopeful that Feast and Dance will be compressed into one season.You pointed out the issue, it is repetitive, we get it and now I hope we don't see him any more. I do have one question though. In the books, Ramsey would only cut off a part after Theon begged him to right? So if that is the same, Ramsey didn't just cleave him, he skinned him and then waited until Theon begged to have his penis cut off. But now that we have everything confirmed in the extent of torture, I would rather see time added to things like the Unsullied naming. The impact of their names was lost when it wasnt explained that they had no names, they chose a new name to use for the day each day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I think a glaring difference between Dany and Theon is that while Theon was ordering the murder of children, Dany ordered the torture of an innocent child in order to get their father to speak along with ordering her unsullied to kill anyone over 12 wearing a tokar thus some children were included (a 13 year old is still a child), does she deserve to suffer female genital mutilation for those acts? Jaime decided to try to kill a small child only to cover up his own sins, should Vargo Holt have cut off his dick alongside his hand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go joff go Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I do feel sorry for Theon. I am suprised some people still think he deserves what he's getting. Maybe he deserves to die but man I don't think anyone deserves this level of cruelty.While I didn't love the scene last night I do think that sentiment is why they have to show some of this stuff. I hated book Theon going into ADWD and it took the whole book to make me sympathetic. Theon isn't Jaimie to either the book or show audience. He has to go through bad bad stuff before anyone thinks about redemption. I suspect we will move away from torture next year to more of a degradation type arc but it definitely is necessary. Did they pick the best way to do it last night, I don't think so but they definitely need to do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Theon isn't Jaimie to either the book or show audience. He has to go through bad bad stuff before anyone thinks about redemption. I never got why Jaime who has done repeatedly worse stuff with worse consequences is so easily forgiven, while Theon is so hated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go joff go Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 ^ B/C Jaimie is charming. To me thats one of my favorite things about the book/show. When you really look at it a lot of characters have done very similar things but our perceptions of said characters are so different dependeng on the context. Its how Jaimie and Qyburn can have that conversation about killing and saving people and still think the other is a monster while they themselves are juthistified. I mean are Robb and Theon really doing anything different whenTheon rebels against Robb and Robb in turn rebels against Joffrey. In Theons case he did it bloodlessly and yet he is the villain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Fox Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Jaime's actions, as reprehensible as they are, are logical. Theon attacking Winterfell was traitorous and low as fuck, as well as completely stupid. Even his own family said it was a dumb idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkAndFullOfTurnips Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I never got why Jaime who has done repeatedly worse stuff with worse consequences is so easily forgiven, while Theon is so hated.Probably because Jaime was always honest about himself, not to mention considerably more intelligent. His loyalty to Cersei is also quite admirable in its own twisted way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendoza Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I never got why Jaime who has done repeatedly worse stuff with worse consequences is so easily forgiven, while Theon is so hated.People have the right to like and hate who they want. If we're going off purety, only Ned is deserving of being liked and maybe Tomman. Jaime is in the 'I can change him' badboy slotting; Theon is more an annoying fratboy shame fuck. I actually like both characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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