a knight of the vale Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 If he does find closure how will it play out?For me it will be at battle with Lord Randal Tarly will be wounded and Samwell and his brother Dickon will defend him, at the end of the battle Randal Tarly will come to realize that how much Samwell has changed, and accept him being a Maester of the citidel and his dying wish will be for Dickon to take care of the Tarly family, Horn Hill, Brightwater keep, and Maidenpool, and finally for Samwell to rise to Grand Maester and take care of the Realm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaarioKnowsBest Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 i think Sam is more likely to put a sword through ole Randy's belly.or it could be a Slingbade style father/son reunion mmm hmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 If he does find closure how will it play out?He'll give him a sudden, fatal, case of sword-through-bowels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkAndFullOfTurnips Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 That would be awful. Randyll doesn't deserve the opportunity to connect with his son. The only closure Sam needs is to hear of his father dying fighting an ultimately meaningless battle, while Sam plays an integral role defending the realm against the only thing that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Forel's Fro Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Sam is a smart boy I think in the end with his mission at the citadel and what he's seen getting daddy's approval won't matter as much and he'll realise the only approval he needs is his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Winters Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 If Randyll does change towards Sam and realises how much he's changed, I don't think Sam will return the feelings. Randyll made him forsake his rights and go to the NW, where Sam has a new "family" now. Sam might accept his father loves him again but that won't change Sam's feelings. I think the closest father figures Sam had was Old Bear and Maester Aemon.I see it playing out when Sam accidentally kills Euron with an arrow, when Oldtown is underattack, Randyll sees that his "craven" son killed a king and maybe wants Sam to come back to Horn Hill and leave the NW, but Sam, remembering Jon and his friends at The Wall, will decline and go back to The Wall to help Jon as Maester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Nomad Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Saving Gilly from him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lady Lannister Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I hope Sam will play an integral and vital role in saving the realm, and Randyll realises what a mistake he made. No reunion though, just us knowing that he died never being able to right the wrong he did. Sam does not need him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreastplateWithNipples Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Why do you think Sam needs "closure"? I mean, what did Randyll really take away from him that Sam wanted? Sam never regretted the loss of the lordship, of the lands or of the incomes. He never cared to be a lord and he would have been terrible at it. His father, though harsh, ultimately did him a favor by sending him to the Night's Watch. It's not like he sold him into slavery or like there were many other, "nicer" ways to have Sam step aside for Dickon. If Sam meets his dad, I don't think he'll be looking for revenge or anything. He'll be mostly the same timid, insecure boy he was when he left except maybe a little less insecure since he's found friends in the Watch and his abilities are being appreciated. Randyll would sneer and growl at him for becoming a Maester after all but then again Sam is now a man of the Night's Watch and no longer Randyll's to command. Randyll isn't the sort of man to hurt Sam (physically) just to spite him, he'll be angry and resentful and won't want to see him around Horn Hill but that would suit Sam just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreastplateWithNipples Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Sam is a smart boy I think in the end with his mission at the citadel and what he's seen getting daddy's approval won't matter as much and he'll realise the only approval he needs is his own.Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Do people find closure? This is a new one on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Bastard King Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I can't see Samwell becoming a Kinslayer as some have suggested above, I think Sam will realise if he hasn't already that not everyman is made to be a warrior and his calling is of a different kind. I'm sure he will end up back at the wall at some point but this is time dependant as isn't it a case of years rather than months to forge a chain???Does the realm has the time left before the great battle happens? who knows?Lord Tarly may end up respecting Sam after witnessing or hearing of Sam's heroic and brave actsbut I hope Sam gives him the middle finger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Why do you think Sam needs "closure"?I mean, what did Randyll really take away from him that Sam wanted? Sam never regretted the loss of the lordship, of the lands or of the incomes. He never cared to be a lord and he would have been terrible at it. His father, though harsh, ultimately did him a favor by sending him to the Night's Watch. It's not like he sold him into slavery or like there were many other, "nicer" ways to have Sam step aside for Dickon.He did threaten to "gut you like the pig you are" if he didn't go to the Wall. Sam might have been a fine lord. Not as a fighter, but as a judge and administrator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scipio Africanus Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I think Randyll kind of shut that door long ago and considers Ser Piggy dead. From Sam's pov, why would he want to reconcile with someone who threatened to kill him if he ever came near?He did threaten to "gut you like the pig you are" if he didn't go to the Wall.Sam might have been a fine lord. Not as a fighter, but as a judge and administrator.Sam would've been good as Hand but not as a lord, who are expected to lead troops into battle and command respect and obedience through their martial and/or command abilities. Which Sam totally does not have and even can't fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Why do you think Sam needs "closure"?I mean, what did Randyll really take away from him that Sam wanted?His freedom. The Night's Watch is practically a prison colony. And Sam was forced to join it for life. Then there are the lands and wealth he was supposed to inherit which he lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kienn Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Realizing he is on the losing side, Randyll will join the Others and become one of them through their magic.When Sam learns of this he tracks his father down and draws his blade, saying "We both knew it would come to this." They battle each other for weeks before Sam finally wears down his father and cuts him in two with the sword that Gilly's baby knitted from Aemon's fine white hair.Or Sam never sees him again. One of those two for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Bastard King Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Realizing he is on the losing side, Randyll will join the Others and become one of them through their magic.When Sam learns of this he tracks his father down and draws his blade, saying "We both knew it would come to this." They battle each other for weeks before Sam finally wears down his father and cuts him in two with the sword that Gilly's baby knitted from Aemon's fine white hair.Or Sam never sees him again. One of those two for sure.You clearly have inside information.It is known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlefingers In The Air Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Closure? In ASOIAF? Ha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runaway Penguin Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Sam would've been good as Hand but not as a lord, who are expected to lead troops into battle and command respect and obedience through their martial and/or command abilities. Which Sam totally does not have and even can't fake.I think you mess up Lord and Knight.Manderly is a Lord who commands respect from his people, even though he is relatively timid, easy-going, and too fat to even ride a horse. Doran is a Lord that can move also only in a litter, id generally immobile...Wyllas Tyrrel would be a good lord, despite his injury.Tyrion also isn't that much into direct battle.Bran, even after injury, would have a making of a good lord.Tywin didn't rush into direct confrontations, if he can command a battle...Leadership is more for a lord than direct martial prowess. So is brain. Before Culloden, Clan chiefs laughed about Cumberland for not leading from the front, sword in hand. How did that end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Greg of House House Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Randyll will kill Sam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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