TORMUNDSMEMBER10 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 I have a theory that the mother to a targaryen child has to be a targeryen for the birth to be safe. im sure someone will disprove this theory somehow but i would like to expain why.If R+L=J is true then could lyanna's death giving birth be because she was not a targaryen so wasn't able to birth a targaryen child properly?also the theory of tyrion being a targaryen, his mother died birthing him, is this coincidence or is there a connection (btw i hope tyrion is not a secret targ)people will say what about elia? but we know that elia couldn't have another child as she was so weak from the first two, and martells have some targaryen in their bloodline so it may not have had immediate effect like the others, but it sure did have an effect on her, so does anyone else think this could be the case? or is this just a bit crackpot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Myriah Martell had 5 children, the father of whom was Daeron II, and she was fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 what purpose could this possibly serve in the plot ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TORMUNDSMEMBER10 Posted August 7, 2013 Author Share Posted August 7, 2013 Myriah Martell had 5 children, the father of whom was Daeron II, and she was fine. fair enough, maybe the bloodlines were stronger back then, youre probably right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 What about Rhaella dying giving birth to Daenerys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kahl Trollo Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 What about Rhaella dying giving birth to Daenerys?I'm anticipating a 'no true Scotsman' type explanation :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TORMUNDSMEMBER10 Posted August 7, 2013 Author Share Posted August 7, 2013 what purpose could this possibly serve in the plot ?maybe more proof that tyrion and/or jon are targaryens? maybe that will be how we find out aegon is fake if arianne marries him and is fine after giving birth to his son? or even the opposite of that? doesnt have to be arianne it could be anyone. tyrion or jon could do the same (presuming they live) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TORMUNDSMEMBER10 Posted August 7, 2013 Author Share Posted August 7, 2013 What about Rhaella dying giving birth to Daenerys?errrrmmm you got me :P maybe that was just a natural cause;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 errrrmmm you got me :P maybe that was just a natural cause;)And what happened to Elia, or Lyanna wasn't natural cause? Good luck with arguing that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindchap Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Baelor's mother was also Dornish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 This is rather bizarre because you're basically claiming that any woman who dies in child birth in the story did so because she was not a Targaryen but giving birth to a Targaryen. So logically, all of Aegon Unworthy's mistresses should have been dead. Rhaella must have come from the loins of someone else. Cat's mother found herself a Targaryen for her last child. Elia's frailty prior to being married has no relevance to why she became unable to have more children. Any of Walder's wives who died due to birthing complications probably did so because it was a Targ they were pushing out. Yeah, this makes complete and absolute sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 maybe more proof that tyrion and/or jon are targaryens? maybe that will be how we find out aegon is fake if arianne marries him and is fine after giving birth to his son? or even the opposite of that? doesnt have to be arianne it could be anyone. tyrion or jon could do the same (presuming they live) ?sorry to be rude but if someone presented this as evidence to support Faegon's legitimacy, i wouldn't take them seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TORMUNDSMEMBER10 Posted August 7, 2013 Author Share Posted August 7, 2013 This is rather bizarre because you're basically claiming that any woman who dies in child birth in the story did so because she was not a Targaryen but giving birth to a Targaryen. So logically, all of Aegon Unworthy's mistresses should have been dead. Rhaella must have come from the loins of someone else. Cat's mother found herself a Targaryen for her last child. Elia's frailty prior to being married has no relevance to why she became unable to have more children. Any of Walder's wives who died due to birthing complications probably did so because it was a Targ they were pushing out.Yeah, this makes complete and absolute sense. look im saying this is my theory, not that this is stone cold evidence and everyone must accept, im not 'claiming' anything, im basically trying to discuss with other people whether this could be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TORMUNDSMEMBER10 Posted August 7, 2013 Author Share Posted August 7, 2013 sorry to be rude but if someone presented this as evidence to support Faegon's legitimacy, i wouldn't take them seriouslynot saying that a character will use it against aegon, just some evidence for us to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woman of War Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 I have a theory that the mother to a targaryen child has to be a targeryen for the birth to be safe. im sure someone will disprove this theory somehow but i would like to expain why.That would be a huge evolutionary disadvantage when it comes to spreading the superior Targaeryen Uebermensch genes. Stupid little genes, don't know what is good for them, bound to die out.Alleles trying to keep the race pure? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCrannogDweller Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 look im saying this is my theory, not that this is stone cold evidence and everyone must accept, im not 'claiming' anything, im basically trying to discuss with other people whether this could be the case. It's easily disproven though. You have Viserys I's queens - both of whom were not Targaryen, and bore him plenty of children. The second of them was a Hightower without a drop of Targaryen blood in her veins, and she was healthy enough to try to put her son on the throne after her King's death - which led to the Dance of Dragons. Then you have Myriah Martell, Daeron II's wife, who bore him 5 children. As a counterpoint to them there is Rhaella, who died giving birth to Daenerys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 look im saying this is my theory, not that this is stone cold evidence and everyone must accept, im not 'claiming' anything, im basically trying to discuss with other people whether this could be the case.I think the point is that it doesn't make sense. Not even a little bit. I'm sure a story could be written where the rules are that members of a certain blood could only copulate with members of the same species and blood or else risk death (and, now that I think about it, I've read stories like this) but that's not something that GRRM has included in his story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 not saying that a character will use it against aegon, just some evidence for us to use.i'm sorry but i also won't take a poster who uses this as evidence seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzanna Stormborn Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 I see what you are saying OP, and I do think there is signifigance in the fact that Jon and Tyrion's mothers both died giving birth, but I don't think this theory will hold up, due to the fact that all through the targaryen lineage non-targ women survive birth to Targ's several times. But good idea and good thinking :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kju Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 That would be a huge evolutionary disadvantage when it comes to spreading the superior Targaeryen Uebermensch genes. Stupid little genes, don't know what is good for them, bound to die out.Alleles trying to keep the race pure? :Dwho says evolution is working in westeros resp. essoswho says evolution is working right now on earth for mammals;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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