Barty Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 He started a war when he could have tried to defuse the situation diplomatically.Granted, Theon egged him on, but that doesn't change the fact that he killed thousands in the name of dignity and honour.Tywin started the war. Joffrey made sure it did not get resolved peacefully by cutting off Ned's head - If Ned was still alive then the war would have been over after the WW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrions sliced nose Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Robb was the man, only really bad choice was getting married. Everything else was a just a shitload of luck on the Lannisters side and having Littlefinger fucking over the starks from day 1. Robb was a fucking king that was defeated by a bullshit house and false friends, that not his fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frosted King Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 I love Robb, but he made mistakes. I also realize that he was also put in a bad position from the outset, and was hampered by his relatives bad prior decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Duncan of Flea Bottom Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 he made a lot of bad decisionshe was awesome in war, but he sucked in politicshe forgot he needed to marry a Frey, he lost the Freys because of thathe tried to reforge the alliance, he could demanded the Freys to marry Edmure with Roslin in Riverrun at least, Freys are not trustfulhe beheaded Rickard Karstark and lost another part of his armywell, he did some really bad decisions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locke and key Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 I think most people are kind of indifferent to him I am, however it could seems that he's hated on by others, as he gets far less love than any of his other relatives, and he's quite un-popular for a stark, if he were on of the greyjoys he'd probably be the most popular person in that family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet-N-SourRobin Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Because he lost.And people are frontrunners.It's why people "like" Tywin. Because he "won". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Broke Howard Hughes Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Because he did something no other teenage boy has ever done in the history of the world. He made a decision based on the possibilty of having tons of sex instead of doing whats best for everyone. Teenage boys aren't supposed to be sex obsessed morons, how dare him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light a wight tonight Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 You know the red wedding never would've happened at all if he didn't marry Westerling right?You know that Robb was dead meat wedding or not, right? Lord Walder had sold out to Tywin, and the plan was to have Robb sniped off, possibly as a "hunting accident" or just an arrow shot from ambush. Walder thought up the Red Wedding after finding out that Robb had backed out on the original wedding plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser-Bruce-Wayne Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 There is some hate for Robb from ASOIAF fans , because they cant understand why he broke his vow and had sex with Jeyne.He did it cause he was in a high emotional state and he was 16!!And to be honest a lot of ASOIAF fans weren't getting "some" at 16 , :cool4:RIP The King In The North Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaircat Meow Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 There is some hate for Robb from ASOIAF fans , because they cant understand why he broke his vow and had sex with Jeyne.He did it cause he was in a high emotional state and he was 16!!And to be honest a lot of ASOIAF fans weren't getting "some" at 16 , :cool4:RIP The King In The NorthHe didn't take a vow not to have sex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser-Bruce-Wayne Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 He didn't take a vow not to have sex.You know what I mean . broke his vow to marry the Frey girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicky Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 People hate Robb? That's news to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb Stark KitN Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I never got the impression that people disliked Robb. I mean everybody was probably rooting for him, being Eddards heir and all. He made a mistake but the situation was such that he may still have been murdered at some point. In that it had to happen for the sake of Jon and the story. It just felt like it, with whole writing of the Will stuff right before going to the Twins was a huge red flag for me.A bit off topic but the 'Dragonhorn' that euron discovered was so out of the blue it sucked a bit of joy out of the story. Was the horn mentioned in the earlier books? Or was it that it was introduced in AFFC? Don't have my books on hand to check right now.Conclusion...Robb was not hated by a sufficient amount of people to deem him a 'hated' character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidnightAurora Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Genuinely asking, seems like a bunch of people really don't like him.Guess I was sort of annoyed he didn't honour his oath to marry a Frey girl, but he was 16, injured, and depressed (thought his bros were dead) so I didn't judge him too harshly for that.Other than that I think he did as good as a 16 year old kid in his position could do.Is it just me or do people judge Robb more harshly than say Joffrey who is the worst? I like Robb and could not judge him too harshly for him not honoring his oath to marry a frey girl because he could not dishonor Jeyne after she comforted him after news of Bran/Rickon.Joffrey killed people for fun, had their tongues out, has Sansa beaten by his guards, kills thousands by beheading Ned and basically everyone except Tyrion cow tows to him and yet Robb gets most of the judgement/blame.I do not see anyone else helping to lift the siege on Riverrun that Tywin started and helping the smallfolk when his pets raided them.Robb is honorable and marries Jeyne after he is comforted by her and that deserved the RW? I think not and jyet some say it was justified even under guest right.I agree why do some (not me I like Robb, but admit he did make a couple mistakes like not including Edmure in on some plans, entrusting half his army to Roose although it was Cat who counseled him on that) hate him? I don't as I think he did a good job for his age and the position he was thrust into.In response to an early post if you are thinking you hate Robb because he got thousands killed then why not hate Joff and those who died in KL and other crimes before Stannis came to Blackwater and more died? (sorry forget the poster's name) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morienthar Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 There isn't any hate for Robb just a lot of disappointment and head shaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 I think he evokes strong emotions because he was one mistake away from greatness/redemption/justice/what most want to see happen.No one else has been that close to something that desired. So he is held more accountable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Dayne's Honor Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 People don't hate Robb, they are disappointed that didn't avenge his father or rescue his sisters. While the Red Wedding was one of the most shocking, well written events in literature and accounts towards the greatness of ASOIAF's writing I wouldn't have minded if he had lived and won Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Drunkard Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 There is some hate for Robb from ASOIAF fans , because they cant understand why he broke his vow and had sex with Jeyne.He did it cause he was in a high emotional state and he was 16!!And to be honest a lot of ASOIAF fans weren't getting "some" at 16 , :cool4:RIP The King In The NorthMore like they understand it perfectly (how could you not?) but don't agree with the politically suicidal decision to break the vow he made to the Freys. He's allowed to have sex with her if she's up for it, but that doesn't mean he should've married her.In response to an early post if you are thinking you hate Robb because he got thousands killed then why not hate Joff and those who died in KL and other crimes before Stannis came to Blackwater and more died? (sorry forget the poster's name)I think it's a universal acceptance that Joffrey was a tremendous bag of faeces, so no one debates it to the extent they would a more controversial topic/character, like Robb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James March x2 Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 I don't like Robb, just like I don't like Ned Stark. Nothing personal, they are great balanced people, with a high morale and sense of duty.But they don't know when it is better to give up principles and ideals for a greater good.Or they value almost zero the life of their subjugated people.Apparently they only realize their own actions have deadly consequences for their soldiers only after they lost dozens/thousands of them.Casualties are understandable within a war/fight, the fact is that none of the two thought 10 times before starting the war or intimidating the Queen or not listening to LF advices just because it was the "wrong" thing to do for their own honour. Who cares of their own honour? If that is what it serves in the 7k, I would rather banish it than praise it.Robb started a War, when he could have bent the knee like his ancestors did.There is no shame in risking your own life going south in front of a whimsical king to ask mercy for your own father,thus sparing the life of thousands of husbands, fathers, children that live under your own banners.. I would have kissed three times the foot of Joffrey in front of the public opinion, just as he needed, and lie and swore my loyalty even when I had none, just for the sake of my people. There is always time later on for vengeance.. but people can live only once, when they are dead, I can not bring them back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gneisenau Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Well it's a dick move to go back on a deal that was agreed upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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