Dead Wolf Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Manderly in ACOK asks proposes building a fleet for Robb, and asks for the gold to build ships. When the Manderlys came north "The wolf king took their gold but let them keep their gods." Ramsay sacked WF but when soldiers are being murdered in the castle the Boltons only offered one dragon for the killer's name. If Ramsay had taken all that gold they would have been able to offer more. The Starks may not have been as rich as the Lannisters or Tyrells, but they were wealthy enough to buy glass for the Glass Gardens, which Jon mentions is costly. Where is the gold of House Stark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agamemnon Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 It is my understanding that there is little gold in the North, I have not heard of any mines north of the Neck and all the wealth of the North seems to be tied up in silver. When Manderly printed the Stark coinage he used silver, and when Reek went out to find men for Theon, the Prince of Winterfell gave him a sack of silver. Not saying the North isnt as rich as the South in pure monetary value, but it is all silver instead of gold. The Manderly quote asking for "gold" probably just meant "Money" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Greg of House House Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Ok. So where is the silver? That's a mystery that turns up every once in a while. I don't think there's an answer. It's my understanding that every major House must have a decent amount of gold and/or silver or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gar Weg Wun Sygerrik Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 We know that the north is very rich in timber, and Bravos imports wood so it would make sense that they have a relationship with the iron bank as well. No reference to it in the book, that I can remember though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Ok. So where is the silver? That's a mystery that turns up every once in a while. I don't think there's an answer. It's my understanding that every major House must have a decent amount of gold and/or silver or whatever. Wouldn't Robb take cash on hand with him; and it not all of it, at least a good portion. Also, is it that big of a deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckthorn Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Their gold are turnips/crops, look at the Kingsmoot in AFFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beorn Snow Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Don´t you answer your own question?Manderly suggests building ships and asks Robb for gold. In ADWD Davos notices that white arbour has a fleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Eats No Peaches Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 It's a really good question. We know that the Manderlys have vaults filled with silver, but that's all we know about the North's money stores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoboe Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 What makes you think Winterfell is rich? Sansa does a lot of complaining about going without things that her vision of what a princess is should have. I'm pretty sure Cat very early on in GoT complains about the cost of hosting the entire Lannister entourage. They have a very small number of retainers, soldiers, craftsmen, household staff. WF has to cover a huge area with little or no funding from KL (at least in Neds time). And finally, Robb waged a war across half the continent. War costs money. If WF had any gold then it is surely gone by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon stark I Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 North usually spends all their money for their food stock for Winter.And also Robb probably gave a large number to Manderly for the fleet and if you remember Manderly gathers a large army by buying sellswords.Also war takes its toll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Wolf Posted November 4, 2013 Author Share Posted November 4, 2013 Don´t you answer your own question?Manderly suggests building ships and asks Robb for gold. In ADWD Davos notices that white arbour has a fleet.only no one ever gave Manderly gold. He built those ships with his own money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoboe Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Skoboe, 1. The lack of things that Sansa enjoys doesn't necessarily mean the Starks couldn't afford them, it's just not thought of as worth having/a necessity in the North. 2. Again, the Starks live a much more frugal and simplistic life than the Lannisters - her complaining about the cost doesn't necessarily mean they can't afford it, just that she doesn't think it's worth it. I mean, don't you think a millionaire would laugh if you tried to sell them a loaf of bread for £100? 3. Do they need these things? 4. A lot of that area is self-sufficient. Definitely the clear majority. 5. This is true. The North was never going to be rich, but I imagine it's partly down to the Starks being happy with the status quo. Still, I'd love more of an inside view on what's going on up there. Yep - agree that frugal does not equate to poor sometimes, but the Stark family took 'frugal' to extremes going by the POV chapters based in WF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facebookless Man Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 don't you think a millionaire would laugh if you tried to sell them a loaf of bread for £100? of course not the most relevant quality of most of the products rich people consume these days is that others can't afford them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Greg of House House Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 I believe it's a relevant question. Of course money is not everything in Westeros, but still... Winterfell is destroyed. The glass gardens are destroyed. Winter is coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qixoticneurotic Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Im presuming littlefinger isnt the only investor in westeros and the starks have very little liquid capital which denys them the apearance of wealth but doesnt mean they arent wealthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Either looted by the Boltons, or hidden somewhere in Winterfell. Maybe the crypts holds more than dead Starks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Wolf Posted November 5, 2013 Author Share Posted November 5, 2013 Either looted by the Boltons, or hidden somewhere in Winterfell. Maybe the crypts holds more than dead Starks...But if Ramsay took all that gold, wouldn't it have come up in his conversation with Roose? Also, if they had a large sum of gold, why not offer more money for the name of the killer in WF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pingslayer Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Yeah, I wish GRRM tackled this issue. We know that Stannis gets his gold from a Braavos bank, and Lannisters from Casterly Rock. It would be nice to know where the Starks get them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 It's on Sandor's pack mules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Gimp Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 There has to be some. Not a ton, but a respectable amount of both gold and silver. Theon and/or Ramsay must have found it. It would be implausible for them not to. I am surprised Ramsay didn't yell "Save me the gold and the Freys, burn the rest!" at the end of ACOK. It must have just gone unsaid - even he isn't crazy enough to ignore a jackpot like that. If it is now in Bolton hands (really the only reasonable explanation) that gives them another advantage over the rest of the North Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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