Sansa/Young Griff

[valar_morghuliss]

Hi, I'm new to the forum so please don't judge me completely!

Okay, so this may be wishful thinking but during my aFfC and aDwD reread, the seeds of Sansa/Aegon were sown in my head. A lot of this only works if you believe that Young Griff is actually Aegon Targaryen. Also, this is not a post bashing Arianne Martell. In fact, she is one of my favourite character in the series, but I believe that the points I make are valid.

Evidence:

1. There are many parallels between Sansa and Aegon, almost too many to ignore. Firstly, they are both the heir to a kingdom and an once royal House that was destroyed/exiled due to treachery/rebellion. Also, as the downfall of House Targaryen was arguably caused by Rhaegar running away with/marrying/ kidnapping Lyanna Stark and the downfall of House Stark was caused (partially) by Robb marrying Jeyne Westerling. Secondly, they are both being passed off as bastards or lowborn. Thirdly, they both have false fathers who are caring for them mainly due to the love that the carers bear for Sansa and Aegon's parents (Petyr- Cat and JonCon- Rhaegar) and how the children remind Littlefinger/JonCon of the parents. Interestingly, Littlefinger and JonCon both show contempt for their love's spouses, Littlefinger obviously betraying Ned to his death anJonCon saying that Elia was not good enough for Rhaegar due to her frail health (or perhaps he said this due to the jealousy of a spurned lover?)

2. Robert/Rhaegar/Lyanna parallels. Sansa is, liked Lyanna to Robert, caught in an unwanted betrothal to Harry the Heir, who can be seen as similar to Robert due to his bastards and love of knightly sport. Perhaps if Aegon, the dashing Targaryen prince were to rescue her from this situation, it would prompt the Vale into action against the Targaryen forces and Golden Company, like Robert's rebellion. Also, this would mean that the Vale would be available for supporting Daenerys in Dance of Dragons 2.0 (The Arryns supported Queen Rhaenyra). After all, to quote Tyrion Lannister "We are puppets dancing on the strings of those who came before us".

3. Alliance opportunities. If Aegon does become allied with the Martells, there is very little point in him marrying Arianne, as there are already bloodties through his mother Elia. Also, when the Martells discover the death of Quentyn, there is no longer an experienced, adult heir to take the place of Arianne, limiting her ability to be Queen of Westeros. There is Trystane, but he is too young to take the Princeship of Dorne (it looks like Doran might not last much longer as death seems to be coming for the War of the Usurper generation) and he has not been groomed for ruling like Arianne and Quentyn, plus being betrothed to Myrcella doesn't exactly bode well. So, if not a marriage to Arianne, then who? Obviously it must be one of the Great Houses and Sansa is one of the only candidates. Arianne is in no position to be queen-consort, Margaery is a no-go (bad omen, widowed, imprisoned by the faith and the Tyrells are too far ensconced with the Lannisters), Lannisters are openly the enemies of Aegon and there are no Tully or Arryn candidates. This leaves Sansa, who has firm ties to both the North, the Riverlands and the Vale through her relationship with Sweetrobin/others. As a potential bride, the young, beautiful, noble, powerful, ladylike Sansa Stark is a perfect candidate for the king of the Seven Kingdoms.

4 As well as having all of the queenly qualities listed above, Sansa is, most importantly, fertile. As well conquest and the setting up of a stable Targaryen regime, one of Aegon's main priorities will be heirs. House Targaryen was virtually extinct at the end of Robert's rebellion, and this will need to be rectified by King Aegon. To do this, there will likely need to be two or more sons and multiple princesses to marry and bring the fealty of other houses, so Aegon will be needing a fertile wife. From canon, we know that Martells are not renowned the most fertile of women (Princess Elia) but Sansa, who takes after her Tully mother (Catelyn birthed three sons for Ned Stark, a good omen) and is described as womanly, which I can only imagine means that she has good birthing hips. Whilst Lyanna Stark died in childbirth (perhaps brought on by pregnancy before her body was mature enough to carry a child), Lyarra Stark birthed three sons and other Stark woman have been known for their plentiful wombs. Combining this with her Tully ancestry, Sansa's genetics make her a strong candidate to carry royal children. Plus, her womb has not been ravaged with moon tea like Arianne, and she is more importantly, a maiden and known for her virtue, making for a more desirable queen.

5. Aegon fulfills Sansa's dreams of a golden prince, as Targaryen's are often described as being white gold. Plus, he is more virtuous and has more knightly and princely qualities than Joffrey, leading me to believe that Aegon was Sansa's golden prince all along, especially as Joffrey was not a real prince at all.

6. This is a long shot, but Sansa and Aegon could be part of the Song of Ice And Fire. Aegon's House is all about dragons, which are literally "fire made flesh" and they hail from Valyria, where the enviroment is made up of fire. Sansa is a Stark, who are traditionally the "Kings of Winter" and live amongst ice. Their union, which would also be so epic that I imagine many songs will be sung of it, will be the legitimised and recognised by Gods and Men joining (unlike Rhaegar and Lyanna's rumoured marriage) of the House of Ice and the House of Fire. Plus, Sansa spends practically the entire first book sighing over songs, so if any character were to be assosciated with a "song", it would be her.

Please comment what you think and don't judge me too harshly!!

[shastada]

All of ASoIaF seems to be boiling down to Littlefinger vs Varys. The show did a pretty good job of throwing that in our face. In that regard you can look at Aegon being Varys ultimate play and Sansa being Littlefinger's. So the chances of them getting together are about zero, but them being on opposite sides of the fight? Yes definitely.

[aryagonnakill#2]

I don't think this idea requires Aegon to be real at all. It has been proposed before many times, some people think the tourney at Ashford is a foreshadowing of it because of all of Sansa's former betrothals but either way it is a smart match politically so It has a lot of merit.

[The Mountain That Flies]

I think a lot of this theory (which has some strong potential to it) depends on when/how Littlefinger learns about Aegon. As was stated above, Aegon is a pawn of Varys, who straight up hates Littlefinger and whose ambitions couldn't conflict more with. That said, Littlefinger at this point has at 2 kingdoms directly under his control, with Sansa representing a possible third. If Aegon is presented the Sansa option under the right circumstances, he could go for it (and it would technically be a smarter move than marrying Arianne, since Doran should support his nephew anyway).

That said, this seems like way too rosey a conclusion to either character's arc, and Aegon is more than likely going to die by the end of the series, if not Winds. So while this is possible, it's not going to be a happily ever after.

[aryagonnakill#2]

Imo, the day Aegon takes the throne is the day Dany lands in Westeros/Dragonstone, paralleling Aegon coming ashore at Kings Landing the day Harren took up residence in Harrenhall.

[The Undead Martyr]

I think a lot of this theory (which has some strong potential to it) depends on when/how Littlefinger learns about Aegon. As was stated above, Aegon is a pawn of Varys, who straight up hates Littlefinger and whose ambitions couldn't conflict more with. That said, Littlefinger at this point has at 2 kingdoms directly under his control, with Sansa representing a possible third. If Aegon is presented the Sansa option under the right circumstances, he could go for it (and it would technically be a smarter move than marrying Arianne, since Doran should support his nephew anyway).

That said, this seems like way too rosey a conclusion to either character's arc, and Aegon is more than likely going to die by the end of the series, if not Winds. So while this is possible, it's not going to be a happily ever after.

This is hardly rosy- given that Aegon is going to go up against Dany (and this will not end well for him) Sansa marrying him would also not end well for her.

We could see a stark backing each claimant- Sansa-Aegon, Arya/Dany, and Rickon/Stannis.

It would be suitably tragic and horrible, for the Starks, the claimants, and the Realm (no one is fighting the Others in the middle of this..) especially given all three claimants are not exactly evil or unviable. Which is why I think GRRM would do it. I think Dany/Arya "win" this confrontation then have to deal with the Others over the bodies.

[The Bastard of Walton]

Its still very possible that these two will wed. As stated already, it seems that Varys & Littlefinger are two different sides of a coin in the Game of Thrones, but it makes the most sense for them to ally with each other, but from what we have read that is doubtful.

Crackpot: Varys & Littlefinger, though playing against each other in the petty day to day Kingdom, have in fact been in on it all along . Sansa marries Robin or Harry, Littlefinger has them killed, Sansa inherits the Vale. Aegon marches North on Kings Landing with the GC, Sansa marches South with the intact power of the Vale. Varys already in Kings Landing, uses his puppet the High Septon & the Faith Militant to open the cities gates. Kings Landing falls to the union of Ice & Fire, Targ & Stark. Varys wins & Littlefinger Wins, until Dany turns up & Littlefinger tries to jump ship and gets roasted alive (Wishful thinking)

That said, these two either being betrothed or actually marrying is possible, I believe.

Cant wait to find out.

[Just Maid]

All of ASoIaF seems to be boiling down to Littlefinger vs Varys. The show did a pretty good job of throwing that in our face. In that regard you can look at Aegon being Varys ultimate play and Sansa being Littlefinger's. So the chances of them getting together are about zero, but them being on opposite sides of the fight? Yes definitely.

I don't think Varys is going to let Littlefinger get any closer to Aegon. Varys knows who Littlefinger truly is and that means not trusting him or any of his proposals (including a Aegon- Sansa match).

[The Undead Martyr]

I don't think Varys is going to let Littlefinger get any closer to Aegon. Varys knows who Littlefinger truly is and that means not trusting him or any of his proposals (including a Aegon- Sansa match).

A Sansa match still makes a lot of sense for Aegon, though. And if their interests align the two will most definitely be working together.

This won't stop them from possibly trying to limit each other's influence/kill one another later, but I do not think they would have any real objections to cooperation so long as their interests align. In fact it might almost be refreshing for them to be working with "rational actors" so to speak.

[John Suburbs]

Littlefinger won't give Sansa to Aegon unless he has to, or it somehow brings him more power than control of the north and the riverlands. Unless and until Aegon starts capturing territory and shows that he is a force to be reckoned with he doesn't offer enough for Sansa hand.

If Aegon gets the backing of Dorne and then sweeps into the Reach after Highgarden and the Ironmen bloody themselves up, then the political calculations could change.

But remember, also, that Aegon is Varys' creature, so Varys would have to see some strategic advantage to merging his plans and LF's, which I can't envision happening.

[The Undead Martyr]

Littlefinger won't give Sansa to Aegon unless he has to, or it somehow brings him more power than control of the north and the riverlands. Unless and until Aegon starts capturing territory and shows that he is a force to be reckoned with he doesn't offer enough for Sansa hand.

If Aegon gets the backing of Dorne and then sweeps into the Reach after Highgarden and the Ironmen bloody themselves up, then the political calculations could change.

But remember, also, that Aegon is Varys' creature, so Varys would have to see some strategic advantage to merging his plans and LF's, which I can't envision happening.

The advantage is (potentially) bringing in 40,000 Valemen along with (possibly) the North and the Riverlands. Really, what are the Vale's other options at this point? Stannis? Rickon? Independence? Waiting for Dany (lol)? Aegon offers a (possibly quick) victory, vengeance for Robb etc, and the fall of the Lannisters, and a (possibly) easy win. If he gets Tarly/a chunk of the Reach+Dorne+the Golden Company+having taken Storms End and a good bit of the Stormlands as well as holding the Capital then he's looking pretty strong as a contender, and bringing Sansa into it with their armies makes him look as set as Renly.

Right up until Euron or Dany or the Others show up and kill him.

[Good Guy Garlan]

I definitely agree with this, as I've mentioned in this thread:http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/116126-5-reasons-why-i-think-a-sansaaegon-match-is-coming/

People often bring up Littlefinger and Arianne as evidence against this theory, but I think the former will be defeated by then and Sansa's storyline will organically flow into Aegon's. As for Arianne, I think she could be more interesting in the role of spurned suitor, as Quentyn, and so she could be a nice wildcard rather than just being Aegon's bride

I also think Sansa and Aegon's interaction could be super ironic. It would be just like GRRM to give Sansa the perfect handsome prince when she no longer wants him. I think she's grown and matured a lot, but Aegon remains kind of naive and sheltered. So he would be kind of like aGoT-Sansa, and I think that would be an interesting relationship

[Lady Blizzardborn]

My people! LOL

I gave up arguing in favor of this being possible in another thread.

LF probably already knows about Aegon. His spy network is second only to Varys' and Aegon is already in Westeros.

Here's my take:

LF has already said he intends to bring Sansa out in a Stark maiden cloak at the wedding. That will automatically stop the wedding. Sansa Stark is married. To get the marriage annulled requires Sansa or Tyrion to request an annulment from the High Septon. It has to be one of them and can only be granted by the HS or a council of the faith. There are no details I've found regarding what constitutes a council of the faith or where one can be held. Simple solution...after Cersei's downfall and Aegon's rise to power, take Sansa to King's Landing and sneak her in to beg for the "true king's" help.

Sansa is an orphan who has lost her family, was abused by the Lannisters, has been falsely accused of killing a guy who deserved it anyway, and is not completely married to a guy she never wanted. This beautiful, perfectly behaved young lady from some of the most powerful families in Westeros, with ties to three regions, is the perfect bait for a 19 year old king. Granted, he can't do much other than make certain she's treated gently as she awaits her trial on the regicide charge. I figure there's a trial of seven coming somewhere in the series, and Sansa is as good as anyone for a defendant. Harry, still hoping to marry Sansa, dies fighting for her in said trial.

Sansa's side wins. She's cleared of wrongdoing. She gets the marriage annulled, and in the meantime LF has been promising three regions, an army or two and a perfect little queen with the right background, the sympathy of the smallfolk (she learned well from Margaery how to handle them), and an heir to follow him should things go south. They marry.

LF tries to manipulate Aegon through Sansa, with the goal of ruling through her and eventually ditching the king. Unfortunately, it's not going to work out that way. Well unfortunate for LF anyway--he'll live to learn that his student has surpassed him and turned the ultimate player into a pawn, but not much longer. It's possible she goes over to Varys' side.

Sansa and Aegon will grow disenchanted with one another, possibly over her not conceiving right away. In a stunningly Rhaegar-like move, Aegon will embark on an affair with his wild cousin Elia.

Aegon of course ends up dead. If Sansa has a child, she may well claim the baby isn't Aegon's in order to save her son/daughter. And if the conception is a tricky issue, that may even be true. Finally free of controlling men, Sansa will determine her own fate (as far as the Others allow at least) and retire from politics permanently.

[JonCon's Red Beard]

I approve this thread. Although... my shipping(?) order is mostly

Aegon/Elia

Aegon/Sansa

Aegon/Arianne

(Arianne should marry someone else... look at the sig)

[shastada]

Only way this happens is if LF is off'd by Sansa and she can control her own destiny.

[In A Coat of Gold]

Aegon is much more controlled than Rhaegar was. There's no way in hell any of his councilors will let him marry his bastard cousin lol. No way in hell is JonCon going to allow him to marry Arianne either since they are close blood relatives. Hell, Aegon is 3rd in line to inherit Dorne if Quentyn is dead. They will hold out for Dany. If not, marrying him to Myrcella would seal both lines of Targ/Baratheon claims if Tommen dies.

[Lord Lannister]

I approve this thread. Although... my shipping(?) order is mostly

Aegon/Elia

Aegon/Sansa

Aegon/Arianne

(Arianne should marry someone else... look at the sig)

Well the first Aegon had two wives. ;)

[B-rad]

I do like your theory it's just it seems a little to happy for poor Sansa. I mean I think Martin's original plan was to eventually have Sansa die (of course this may very well change). Also I kind of have a feeling Aegon might become the new Joffrey. And I can just see Aegon entering the throne room seeing Cersei chained up and killing Tommen and Myrcella right in front of her as revenge for house Targaryen. i still think it's possible that Sansa will marry Aegon but I just don't think Samsa will ever truly get her shining prince she spent her whole life fantasizing about, or better yet by the time she actually does get her shining prince she has become cold and unromanticized with the prospect and just marries Aegon for political reasons.

[Snark_Tamer]

I see this as the VERY END game--I think fAegon and Sansa have far different roles to play in the meantime, but by the very final part, when the war torn countries desperately need peace, this marriage is the one that can finally bring it, as all of the kingdoms by that point will have a vested interest in one or the other of them.

This coincides nicely with the final ending of the War of the Roses (and suggests fAegon is actually Blackfyre, as Henry VII was Tudor--eligible for the throne through a female line)

[the Scorpion Knight]

My people! LOL

I gave up arguing in favor of this being possible in another thread.

LF probably already knows about Aegon. His spy network is second only to Varys' and Aegon is already in Westeros.

....

sure. he's network is compromised (the kettleblacks) and he's on the edge of givin bronze Yohn a LEGIT reason to kick him out (the anarchy of the riverlands)