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The Winds of Winter: The latest info (updated 28 March 2014)


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#1 Werthead

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 11:22 AM

Progress

The Winds of Winter is the sixth volume of A Song of Ice and Fire. It is currently planned to be the penultimate volume of the series, to be followed by A Dream of Spring, although George R.R. Martin has not ruled out expanding the series to eight books if it proves necessary. There is no date set for completion or publication at this time.

The Winds of Winter is estimated to come in at around 1,500 manuscript (MS) pages, similar to A Storm of Swords (1,521 MS pages) and A Dance with Dragons (1,510 MS pages). This works out at roughly 420,000 words or so. It is possible for the book to be shorter, if GRRM finds more satisfying, earlier break-points in the narrative for each character arc. It can't be much longer, as at that stage the book would have to be split into two volumes.

As of June 2013, GRRM has indicated that he has completed approximately one-quarter of the novel. This would be around 350-400 MS pages of completed material with an unknown further amount in drafts and rough chapters. This is a very rough estimate, however.

In an interview with Conan O'Brien in June 2013, GRRM said he was now writing quickly to stay ahead of production of the HBO television series.

 

In March 2014, Martin reported that The Winds of Winter has so far not required anything like the extensive rewrites and structural changes that A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons had required from very early on, and he was making better progress than he had with them. However, he did not put a figure on his progress.


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Approximately 100-200 MS pages of material was held back from the completion of A Dance with Dragons to kick-start The Winds of Winter. This material is believed to comprise:

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The list of confirmed and known POV characters for the book so far consists of:

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In addition it is assumed that most, if not all, of the POV characters who survived A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons will return. The book will likely have a prologue (like the other five volumes) but we do not know if it will have an epilogue.

From an interview with EW's Shelf Life website, George indicates what storylines will likely feature in the next book:

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29 June 2013 Update:
After two years, it appears that GRRM has completed roughly one-quarter of The Winds of Winter. However, GRRM has said that the relatively slow rate of progress is down to his time being taken up by a large number of other projects he took on in a fit of optimism after completing ADWD. These projects included The Lands of Ice and Fire map collection, The World of Ice and Fire guide book and the anthologies Dangerous Women, Rogues, Down These Strange Streets, Old Mars and Old Venus. This, combined with PR work for the HBO TV series, has left him with less time to work on TWoW than he'd wish, though he has continued to work on it when possible. As of early 2013, these side-projects have mostly been completed, with GRRM's remaining projects comprising solely TWoW, a Wild Cards book and a final polish on The World of Ice and Fire (which is tentatively scheduled to be published in Spring 2014). This will allow him to concentrate almost all of his writing efforts exclusively on TWoW going forwards. GRRM has reiterated his intention to stay ahead of the HBO TV series, which may have to begin filming The Winds of Winter material as early as 2015 (and A Dream of Spring possibly a year later), and has suggested it might be possible for him to finish the book by the end of 2014 with a good head of steam, but this was not a firm estimate.
 

26 January 2014 Update:

George R.R. Martin's UK editor, Jane Johnson, has confirmed that The Winds of Winter will not be published in 2014, but that late 2015 remains a possibility.

 

28 March 2014 Update:

GRRM reports that so far The Winds of Winter has not required anything like the rewriting and edits that were required by the previous two novels. Although this raised fans' optimism that the book would be finished relatively quickly, Martin was careful not to put any figures on his progress or expected completion date.

 

This post will be updated as additional info comes in.


Edited by Werthead, 28 March 2014 - 02:42 PM.


#2 Tyrone Biggums

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 11:24 AM

I was waiting for this topic hoping that someone had heard more then I on how far along he was with it...

Sadly I feel a long wait is in order now..Must drag out DWD as long as possible.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 02:06 PM

I think we'll have it in 2-3 years. With the mounting popularity (and, I'm sure, cash) of the HBO series, it makes sense for him to bang them out.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 04:19 PM

True, didn't think of that.

I made a bet with a friend today too; he said the Leafs will win the Stanley Cup before GRRM finishes the series...

If either one happens within the next 5 years I will be one happy SOB.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 06:19 PM

I think we'll have it in 2-3 years. With the mounting popularity (and, I'm sure, cash) of the HBO series, it makes sense for him to bang them out.


Which may or may not be a good thing. Inspiration is not aided by a schedule and rushing things can lead to things feeling unpolished. On the other hand, it's true that overthinking and reviewing a text too many times can be detrimental to quality as well.

On a completely separate note, while the title 'The Winds of Winter' sounds alright and all, I can't help but think it would have been much cooler if it had been titled 'The Wolves of Winter' instead. Though, it may just be my bias towards the Stark kids. /rolleyes2.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' />

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 10:42 PM

True, didn't think of that.

I made a bet with a friend today too; he said the Leafs will win the Stanley Cup before GRRM finishes the series...


I will shit gold before the leaves get any sniff at Cup glory.

Go George Go.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 11:50 PM

GRRM said he would resume work on the series in 2012. So if things go well and he finishes Winds in 3-4 years, we could get the book in 2015 or 2016.

Edited by Basileus777, 13 July 2011 - 12:30 AM.


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Posted 13 July 2011 - 12:28 AM

Well, it's been a whole day since ADWD came out so it's time we start asking when next book will come out. /tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':P' />

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 10:32 AM

This may be wishful thinking, but I think he will be done all 8 (yes 8) books by 2017.
With the success of the first season of GoT HBO will be putting the pressure on to keep the series going (pressure=financial incentives). Which means GRRM will need to have each book out at least a year before that season of the series commences.
GoT Season 2 (CoK) – 2012
GoT Season 3 (ASoS) – 2013
GoT Season 4 (AFfC) – 2014
GoT Season 5 (ADwD) – 2015
GoT Season 6 (WoW) – 2016
GoT Season 7 (ADoS) – 2017
Got Season 8 (8th Book) – 2018
Which means the 8th book would need to be released in 2017. Book 6, 2013, Book 7 2015. That’s 2 years between books, which he was able to do between CoK and ASoS in Nov 1998 and August 2000.
This assumes a few things about HBO:
1. One season per book
2. No Hiatuses (or is it hiati…)
3. The series will actually continue.
So…yes, I am hopeful that GRRM can knock out 3 books in 6 years (while still recognizing it took him 6 years for this last book)
You can do it George- knock em out.

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 02:44 PM

This may be wishful thinking, but I think he will be done all 8 (yes 8) books by 2017.
With the success of the first season of GoT HBO will be putting the pressure on to keep the series going (pressure=financial incentives). Which means GRRM will need to have each book out at least a year before that season of the series commences.
GoT Season 2 (CoK) – 2012
GoT Season 3 (ASoS) – 2013
GoT Season 4 (AFfC) – 2014
GoT Season 5 (ADwD) – 2015
GoT Season 6 (WoW) – 2016
GoT Season 7 (ADoS) – 2017
Got Season 8 (8th Book) – 2018
Which means the 8th book would need to be released in 2017. Book 6, 2013, Book 7 2015. That’s 2 years between books, which he was able to do between CoK and ASoS in Nov 1998 and August 2000.
This assumes a few things about HBO:
1. One season per book
2. No Hiatuses (or is it hiati…)
3. The series will actually continue.
So…yes, I am hopeful that GRRM can knock out 3 books in 6 years (while still recognizing it took him 6 years for this last book)
You can do it George- knock em out.



While I agree that GRRM will be pressured and more than likely will want to release his story before the HBO version, I don't think SOS and onward will be one book = one season. So GRRM will more than likely have a little more time. I'll say the complete saga will be done by 2017 if it's two more books easy, maybe 2019 if it's three

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 03:07 PM

HBO will most likely combine season 4/5 AFFC and ADWD and make it a short season for the last half of ADWD if not for anything but to give GRRM time.

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 06:30 PM

I've read somewhere that Storm of Swords will be split into two seasons, or extended by several episodes (16-20).

However, with the mounting expenses of each season, HBO may pull a Rome on us and cancel it after the second season.

Edited by Joni, 13 July 2011 - 06:32 PM.


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Posted 13 July 2011 - 08:54 PM

The odds are against this show seeing completion, but I promise you HBO won't pull a Rome unless Season 2 craps all over itself. HBO has acknowledged multiple times that cancelling Rome after Season 2 was a mistake. They won't do it to GOT. We'll get through SOS at least.

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 02:59 AM

I keep hearing 8 books now. Where is this coming from?

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 03:09 AM

I keep hearing 8 books now. Where is this coming from?



It's speculation based on where the series is after 5 books, how much still needs to be written about, and GRRM's ability to move the plot along in his last two books.

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 11:55 AM

I heard they might make ASOS into two seasons, that being said I think it would be a mistake to end Season 3 (mid book) with the Red wedding it would be more of a shocker (for non book fans) if it happened mid season, not in the end of season (where viewers will expect something big)

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 12:07 PM

[mod] The discussion here seems to be drifting somewhat. Please keep comments in this thread restricted to the timing of The Winds of Winter, as there are already threads elsewhere (in the TV section) whcih are more appropriate for the discussion of the correlation between previously published volumes and TV series season. Thank you. [/mod]

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Posted 15 July 2011 - 12:13 AM

all of GRRM's books are more than worth the wait; but read 2 comments on other sites that were worth sharing:
'...came to these books because of the HBO show. I cannot for the life of me imagine how people who have been reading these books from day one have managed to wait so long for each novel without going insane as the Mad King'

well, there's plenty of us that are more than a little insane but not enough to burn people for fun /wacko.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wacko:' />

and there was another fan who 'loves the books but is a septuagenarian who hopes to enjoy the finale'

if that was my grandfather I would put any unread book in with him.

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Posted 15 July 2011 - 12:43 AM

The longest I waited for a book was eight years, and it was a pathetically written poor excuse of a book. Not really worth the paper it was printed on. It was as if the author had forgotten what she was writing about in the first place. (in fact, I'm quite convinced she has, because most of it did not make sense.)

If Winds of Winter is like DwD is turning out to be, he can take as much time as he likes. I will willingly send care packets if needs be, start a fund to support the author. Only I'm sure with this amount of fans and a TV series, he doesn't need any of that kind of help. Though I will defend the length of time to any fool who complains, as I have already. Because it's worth it, for a story like that, time is the least we can give.

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Posted 15 July 2011 - 10:13 AM

Book four of the War against the Chtorr (David Gerrold) came out in 1994. It ended on a cliffhanger. We're still waiting on Book 5. /smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />