Over there, in the BWB Conclave thread we also got the information that one of the KG's - as of yet unidentified - defected to Rhaenyra shortly after the coup - supposedly after Aegon's crowning, but apparently before that since 1. he was the one who took Viserys's crown to Rhaenyra (the crown Jaehaerys I had made! and we should assume that he would have worn that crown during the coronation had it still been in his possession) and 2. apparently only four KG were in attendance when Criston Cole crowned Aegon II.
Great information on Rhaenyra's children. Now it would be great if anyone could either remember or reveal some further details? Especially the names of Rhaenyra's sons! I doubt that there are additional Aegons or Viserys' among them, but what about Aelixes, Aenars, Gaemons, or Aerions?
Any details on how they looked? If the elder three or some of them were in the end the sons of this Strong knight - Lord Lyonel is apparently gone, it seems - did they have any prominent non-Valyrian features? Rhaenyra herself had very prominent Targaryen features and with their official father being a Velaryon one should not expect any dark-haired or brown-eyed surprises...
Any hint on how old Rhaenyra was would be interesting as well. I argued in favor of making her older since she now has given birth to seven children. If there are no twins, this alone should take about 7 years. And there is the thing about this oath of obeisance to Rhaenyra given to her as early as 105 AC. My assumption was that she was not a toddler back then, but 8-10 or so. Aegon II could be born in the year of Alicent's marriage to the King (106), Rhaenyra's earliest possible birth date - if the ten year difference between the half-siblings still stands (and that was never set in stone!) - is 96 AC. That would make her 33 in 129 AC. A little bit younger than my gut feeling, but I can live with that. But I'd not be surprised if she turns out to be two or three years older. Especially if there is any truth to those rumors about her affair with Ser Criston Cole. If there was such a thing, then this has to have happened before she married her Velaryon husband, and also before she started her affair with this Ser Strong. Else the rumor should include Ser Criston as possible father of at least Rhaenyra's eldest son!
This is why we should assume that Rhaenyra was 15-17 during that tourney in 111 AC, rather than, say, 10-13. This would have been the time when she had an affair with Ser Criston.
If Rhaenyra's eldest son(s) were really only about 15-17 when the war started, they would have been born 112-114. That could work.
Aegon II would be 23 in 129 AC if he was born in 106, and 22 if he was born in 107.
Any hint as to what Rhaenyra did once she declared herself queen? Were her sons then styled Targaryen instead of Velaryon? We all expect that Harrold Hardyng will re-name himself Arryn should he ever become Lord of the Vale...
And now my really interesting legal questions:
Was Rhaenyra's Velaryon husband Lord of Driftmark or merely a second son/younger brother? If former was the case, is in 129 Rhaenyra's eldest 'Velaryon son' now the Lord Velaryon of Driftmark as well as next in line to the Iron Throne? Back when we worked under the impression that Rhaenyra's children were the sons of a Lord of Harrenhal I imagined that at least one of them ruled Harrenhal during the Dance. Is now something similar happening with Driftmark?
The theory on Princess Rhaenys 'The Queen Who Never Was' Targaryen is that she might have been the mother of Viserys I and the chosen heir of Jaehaerys I and Good Queen Alysanne, but decided upon the death of her father that she would pass on the crown to her son Viserys. No idea why she would do that, perhaps she was already rather old, did not really want to rule, or had some other reason. But that way the Realm would once have already expected a Queen Regnant to come into power which would make the installation of Rhaenyra as heir to the throne not that big an issue.
Despite the fact that Viserys I seems to have died as a older man, it's easily possible that this Princess Rhaenys might be still around as some sort of Targaryen Queen of Thorns in her eighties or nineties. We know of two other Targaryen women who reached a very old age - Queen Visenya Targaryen, who lived at least in to the reign of her son Maegor, and Princess Elaena who at least reached the age of seventy (which means that she lived from the reign of her father Aegon III to the reign of King Maekar) - so this would be easily possible.
And we all know Maester Aemon's longevity, of course!
As of yet we still don't know if Viserys I is descended from Jaehaerys and Alysanne through a son, a daughter, or both. All we know is that he is their grandson.
But it's narrowed down quite a bit right now. If Rhaenys is not Viserys's mother, then she has to be a cousin, sister, or aunt of his. Viserys had no other daughters besides Helaena (who is also a queen), and we now also know that Rhaenyra had no daughters beside the stillborn dragonspawn child. The only other Targaryen princess close to the line of succession is going to be the daughter of Aegon II. But she will be queen, so she can't be this Rhaenys.
If Rhaenys comes from a cadet branch of House Targaryen (say, by being descended from one of the daughters of Aenys I or from the youngest son of Jaehaerys I), this 'The Queen Who Never Was' thing becomes irritating. It strongly suggests that Rhaenys was once on the brink of becoming Queen of Westeros, and I get the hint that Queen Regnant is meant here, not 'wife of the king'.
The only other theory I could come up with is that Rhaenys would be an elder aunt or cousin of Viserys I, coming from an older branch of the Targaryen family tree who ends up being passed over when the Old King died. But that would make things more difficult since that might mean that there might be another older Targaryen line still out there.
No idea though who Baela Targaryen might be. Best guess is a sister of Prince Daemon and Viserys, or a daughter of Daemon from an earlier marriage, or a cousin to the main Targaryen branch (i.e. a descendant of one of the younger sons of Jaehaerys and Alysanne).
Edited by Lord Varys, 14 October 2013 - 07:24 AM.