Sigella Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 I think it would be fun to list the worst/funniest translation-job we've come across in our different translations. Mine are cringy as hell so be warned. "direwolf" is called "skräckvarg" which directly translates to "horrorwolf" "weirwood" is called "själaträd" which directly translates to "soultree" "white walker" or "other" -> "vit vålnad" -> "white ghost" And they've changed all the names of places too. Not "Winterfell" but "Vinterhed" which directly translates to "Wintermoor" for example. And the Stark words in swedish directly translates to "Winter is coming closer" which hasn't (imo) quite the same ring to it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ygrain Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Well, if it's any comfort to you, the Czech translation sucks, as well. - To give the poor translator some credit, translating English compound names into Czech is a damned if you do, damned if you don't job because of the different natures of the languages - Czech words are, in general, longer, and as a highly inflected language, it doesn't create compounds by merely slapping the words together. It can be done but the results are usually awkward and sound very unnatural. If the translator opts for a more natural naming strategy, s/he basically has two choices: drop one part of the compound and add some Czech-sounding suffix (works quite well with toponyms; the translator of LotR did a splendid job there), or make it a two-word name. The former causes a loss of meaning (which may turn out quite a problem if the dropped part is later revealed to be of importance), the latter can make declension and use in sentences a bit awkward and sounds unnatural if overused, so the best strategy is probably combining the two methods while looking for already existing names as a model. - Needless to say, the translator went for a very literal compound translation in most cases, which leaves us with a number of very cringy names, sometimes with rather dubious meaning - for example, direwolf translates back as evil-wolf, which, IMHO, is not exactly a good choice for the sigil of the good guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollygag Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Horror-wolf and evil-wolf are curious choices. My reading of direwolf was always linked to dire's definition as a "warning of disaster" or a "desperately urgent" situation as their reappearance accompanies a message that the Others are coming. The Stark sigil and words Winter is Coming go together maybe in more ways than they realize. Definition of dire direr; direst 1 a : exciting horror dire suffering b : dismal, oppressive dire days 2 : warning of disaster a dire forecast 3 a : desperately urgent in dire need of assistance b : extreme dire poverty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigella Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Lollygag said: Horror-wolf and evil-wolf are curious choices. My reading of direwolf was always linked to dire's definition as a "warning of disaster" or a "desperately urgent" situation as their reappearance accompanies a message that the Others are coming. The Stark sigil and words Winter is Coming go together maybe in more ways than they realize. Definition of dire direr; direst 1 a : exciting horror dire suffering b : dismal, oppressive dire days 2 : warning of disaster a dire forecast 3 a : desperately urgent in dire need of assistance b : extreme dire poverty Haha, I thought it was meant as an extreme. Like its an extremely large wolf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigella Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Ygrain said: Well, if it's any comfort to you, the Czech translation sucks, as well. - To give the poor translator some credit, translating English compound names into Czech is a damned if you do, damned if you don't job because of the different natures of the languages - Czech words are, in general, longer, and as a highly inflected language, it doesn't create compounds by merely slapping the words together. It can be done but the results are usually awkward and sound very unnatural. If the translator opts for a more natural naming strategy, s/he basically has two choices: drop one part of the compound and add some Czech-sounding suffix (works quite well with toponyms; the translator of LotR did a splendid job there), or make it a two-word name. The former causes a loss of meaning (which may turn out quite a problem if the dropped part is later revealed to be of importance), the latter can make declension and use in sentences a bit awkward and sounds unnatural if overused, so the best strategy is probably combining the two methods while looking for already existing names as a model. - Needless to say, the translator went for a very literal compound translation in most cases, which leaves us with a number of very cringy names, sometimes with rather dubious meaning - for example, direwolf translates back as evil-wolf, which, IMHO, is not exactly a good choice for the sigil of the good guys. Lol, no its not. I'm forever grateful for not being resigned to the swedish version because I tried it years earlier and gave up on it at Wintermoor and Kingharbour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowy Tends Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 The french translation was the object of a severe controversy here. Most of the family name and all the cities, places, villages, etc. are translated; in some cases it works but in many cases it's childish and a bit ridiculous, like "Potaunoir" for Kettleblack, "Petitbois" for Smallwood, "Corbois" for Hornwood, "Mervault" for Seaworth, "Fort Griseaux" for Greywater Watch, "Casterfoyer" for Stokeworth, etc. As for the dire wolves, the translator chose to make them "Loup Garou" which is french for "werewolf" — the worst possible translation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ygrain Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Speaking about family names... some were translated, some were not, and then halfway through the series, the translator decided to translate practically all of them, again making them very literal, and put them all in adjectival form, which again is possible as such surnames do exist but not in such numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigella Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 "The Dreadfort" -> "Skräckfortet" -> "The Horrorfortress" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 The Polish one was famously (well, in Poland) bad. At least the first book or two, I believe that later they hired someone more competent (but meanwhile my English got thankfully good enough to read the version originale). The translator couldn't decide (and the editor neglected to helpfully kick him in the butt) whether to translate geographical names or not, so he decided on "both". For the same places. So Walder Frey's castle would be "Twins" on one page and "Bliźniaki" on another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sunland Lord Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 This is why I bought them in English - I didn't want to cringe at the names of the castles and places most of all, and wanted to read only the way the author himself wrote them. Plus, you never stop learning something new in English when it's not your native language and you want to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deepbollywood Motte Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 I never even considered to read the books in my native language. Sometimes I come across the Dutch wiki, Google tends to think that I want to go to the Dutch wiki, and I think the Dutch translations have the same problem as German or Scandinavian translations (direwolf=schrikwolf=scarewolf *ugh*). The language is just off. Also, some (if not most) of the poetry tends to get lost in Dutch translations, in any booktranslation, and that's really a problem in these books IMO. But to be honest I never read a full chapter or even a paragraph in Dutch so I can't really tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philokles Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Direwolves were real animals. How do you screw up the translation of a word you language already has?!? Wikipedia says the actual animal is called Jättevarg in Swedish, Pravlk obrovský in Czech, Canis dirus (just its scientific name) in French and Reuzenwolf in Dutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deepbollywood Motte Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 16 minutes ago, Horse of Kent said: Direwolves were real animals. How do you screw up the translation of a word you language already has?!? Wikipedia says the actual animal is called Jättevarg in Swedish, Pravlk obrovský in Czech, Canis dirus (just its scientific name) in French and Reuzenwolf in Dutch. Yes, they could have used that. But it means "gaint wolf" in Dutch so maybe it would give confusion on it not being a different animal but just a big wolf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigella Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 20 minutes ago, Horse of Kent said: Direwolves were real animals. How do you screw up the translation of a word you language already has?!? Wikipedia says the actual animal is called Jättevarg in Swedish, Pravlk obrovský in Czech, Canis dirus (just its scientific name) in French and Reuzenwolf in Dutch. "Jättevarg" directly translates to "giantwolf". Why didn't they go with that? Silly translators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigella Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 But also translators are (I'm guessing) trying to make stuff sound archaic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therae Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, Sigella said: But also translators are (I'm guessing) trying to make stuff sound archaic. Maybe trying too hard? An actual direwolf is extinct, so shouldn't it have an eldritch vibe to it in any language? (Sorry for sticking my native-English-speaking nose in, but this is the best thread I've seen in ages.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowy Tends Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 38 minutes ago, Horse of Kent said: Direwolves were real animals. How do you screw up the translation of a word you language already has?!? Wikipedia says the actual animal is called Jättevarg in Swedish, Pravlk obrovský in Czech, Canis dirus (just its scientific name) in French and Reuzenwolf in Dutch. "Canis Dirus" is an international scientific name; in French no one would name a common rat "Rattus Norvegicus" or call a wolf "Canis Lupus". The best translation would have been "Loup géant" (giant wolf) since Canis Dirus was much bigger and heavier than common wolfes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deepbollywood Motte Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 17 minutes ago, Therae said: Maybe trying too hard? An actual direwolf is extinct, so shouldn't it have an eldritch vibe to it in any language? (Sorry for sticking my native-English-speaking nose in, but this is the best thread I've seen in ages.) No, since there was a lot of megafauna in prehistory that looked like fauna we see today at least in Dutch those animals are given the prefix "reuzen", "giant". We do it with some contemporary animals (reuzeninktvis - giant squid. Reuzenmanta - manta ray). Edit, Add; but for the casual reader who is not that much into (ancient) fauna "Reuzen" might also just indicate a big version of the known animal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kandrax Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 In serbian edition of TWOIAF Blood and Cheese are one person. Blackfyre is sometimes kept in original form, and sometimes translated to Crna Vatra, meaning Black fire. Brave companions's name in serbian sounds childish, because Hrabri drugari can be translated into Brave friends. Vargo's lisp is worse in serbian version. Serbian Dorkstar ...and night is mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therae Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Deepbollywood Motte said: No, since there was a lot of megafauna in prehistory that looked like fauna we see today at least in Dutch those animals are given the prefix "reuzen", "giant". We do it with some contemporary animals (reuzeninktvis - giant squid. Reuzenmanta - manta ray). But when you hear "Reuzenwolf", does it not make you think "prehistoric" (despite the use of the prefix in modern species that happen to be really big)? That's what I meant. Although in the specific case of the direwolves, I guess "giant" is still an accurate descriptive, even if it doesn't suggest it belongs to older era. What about "aurochs"? I believe they are extinct as well. How does that get translated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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