The source of all Sansa-hate

[Michael Herman]

So I've been noticing that Sansa seems gets a disproportionate amount of hate on these forums. We know that she's the worst person in westeros, but why?

My theory is that it's because she practically begs to be cast as a villain in the beginning. She's got so many teen-girl-villain stereotypes going for her:

-She's popular

-She's pretty

-She's ditzy (or at least lots of people in the red keep think so)

-She's boy-crazy

-She's a girly-girl

-She's snobbish

-She's being taught to lie and manipulate

-She's catty to her sister

-She's slightly delusional

As readers, we identify with Arya more in the beginning because she is funny, a little out of place and she feels oppressed by westerosi gender roles. Sansa is her opposite, she's got the girl-villain-stereotypes going for her, she's mean to her little sister, and she makes some questionable choices in the beginning, so she must be the villain with a capital V. It's hard to shake this perception, and some people never have.

As a person who was a Sansa-ish brat about a decade ago, I feel compelled to stand up for her. Okay, so I was actually an ugly kid, and not popular, but I was plenty snobbish and romantically delusional and mean to my sister. Somehow I turned out to be a self-sufficient and relatively well-adjusted adult with healthy relationships, a career that benefits humanity, and no poorly-done facial tattoos (only top-quality professional facial tattoos for me ;))

Why do I care about this at all? Because all of you will probably have to interact with a bratty teenage girl at some point in your lives. When you do, I hope you will be more like the Ned, and less like Boros Blount (and DEFINITELY less like Littlefinger, yikes). More like Septa Mordane and less like Queen Cersei. Teenagers can be especially infuriating around the 12-14 age. Sansa is no exception, I'd say GRRM got "that age" across pretty well. But people who are irritating or even immoral at 12 are not doomed to become terrible adults. They mature, develop their personal moral standards, and learn that life is not a song, as is Sansa's story, and it's entirely because of the people that they meet and what they learn from adult role models.

Sansa's got about 11 years of good parenting going against about 2 years of a hostile environment and bad influences. She doesn't have much (intentional) blood on her hands, and has made enough small kind gestures (saving Dontos, helping Lancel at blackwater) that I've got hope for her.

I'm not even going to read any responses to this post (okay I totally will, but I won't respond to anything). I just needed to get that off my chest.

*steps off soapbox*

Slightly delusional? In book 1 she's about as rational and well informed as Dany, making her PoV painful to read in places. Still, I love the way the character has developed and I think that a lot of the Sansa 'hate' is just people who are not overly fond of the character, or who can't forgive her unsuspecting betrayal from book 1.

[Margaret Ballinger]

Mostly hates comes from the fact of her being "passive", because apparently, heroines should always carry weapons and know how to use them. You know, like dragons and Needle and Oathkeeper. To be powerful, you must know how to fight, otherwise, you're a pawn, you're weak and whiny.

Also, she's quite dumb. She definitely should have killed Joffrey when she had the chance, in front of two of his guards and then, try to run King's Landing and walk by her own to Winterfell or Riverrun to catch up with her mother and brother.

Silly Sansa...

:agree:

A lot of the haters seem to pass over the type of family she was raised in as well as ignoring major mistakes made by other members of her family. She lived a sheltered and protected life. They didn't teach her the finer arts of being a manipulator or a liar. She was taught to be lady, and she is. Would you rather she be another Cersei or Margaery? She is the one that clings to her faith and hope even when surrounded by those wanting to corrupt her.

People seem to hate on her for going to the queen, but Ned was already dead the moment he climbed off his horse. People forget Littlefinger's plan to start a war. They forget that Littlefinger paid off the guards, and took Ned prisoner himself. It was his plan from the get go. Also don't forget that Tywin already tried to kill Ned once before. He sent the Mountain out into the Riverlands to draw Ned out. Tywin was willing to commit those horrible crimes on those poor farmfolk just to set Ned up. Remember the bloody little girl that came before Ned? That was all done on Tywin's orders. That was well before Sansa told the queen she was being sent home. By this point on the timeline Ned's fate was already sealed and it had nothing to do with Sansa.

“It was a trap, milady. Lord Tywin sent his Mountain across the Red Fork with fire and sword, hoping to draw your lord father. He planned for Lord Eddard to come west himself to deal with Gregor Clegane. If he had he would have been killed, or taken prisoner and traded for the Imp, who was your lady mother’s captive at the time. Only the Kingslayer never knew Lord Tywin’s plan, and when he heard about his brother’s capture he attacked your father in the streets of King’s Landing. . .”

“. . . and your father’s leg was broken when his horse fell on him. So Lord Eddard couldn’t go west. He sent Lord Beric instead, with twenty of his own men and twenty from Winterfell, me among them. There were others besides. Thoros and Ser Raymun Darry and their men, Ser Gladden Wylde, a lord named Lothar Mallery. But Gregor was waiting for us at the Mummer’s Ford, with men concealed on both banks. As we crossed he fell upon us from front and rear. “I saw the Mountain slay Raymun Darry with a single blow so terrible that it took Darry’s arm off at the elbow and killed the horse beneath him too. Gladden Wylde died there with him, and Lord Mallery was ridden down and drowned. We had lions on every side, and I thought I was doomed with the rest, but Alyn shouted commands and restored order to our ranks, and those still ahorse rallied around Thoros and cut our way free.

~Harwin - A Storm of Swords

Arya made the mistake of not giving Tywin or the Mountain's name to Jaqen. She could have ended the war. Yet I don't hear any hate chatter about that. And she is going further into darkness, losing her morals and forgetting the Stark way. And don't get me started on Robb.

So stop hating on Sansa because she is the ladylike one of the bunch. Not everyone can be a bada*s. And she wasn't the one that killed Ned!!

[Disputatious]

Arya_Nym: but never in Arya's hearing. Sansa was always polite even to her sister, save when the latter threw the orange at her and ruined the dress.

[ARYa_Nym]

If Lady Catelyn did not chew out the Septa, it was probably because she agreed and because, as she says later, that she despaired of trying to make Arya a lady

She can internally agree and still remind the septa of her place.

Arya_Nym: but never in Arya's hearing. Sansa was always polite even to her sister, save when the latter threw the orange at her and ruined the dress.

Later:

Arya was chewing at her lip in that disgusting way she had. “Can we take Syrio back with us?” “Who cares about your stupid dancing master?” Sansa flared.

“It won’t be so bad, Sansa…It will be an adventure, and then we’ll be with Bran and Robb again, and Old Nan and Hodor and the rest…”Hodor! Sansa yelled. “You ought to marry Hodor, you’re just like him, stupid and hairy and ugly!”

ETA: Keep in mind I'm not arguing that Arya has not been rude to her too.

[Raksha 2014]

I am sorry, but Sansa's survival through the constant beatings and rape threats, her struggle to remain emotionally stable and psychologically sane when each of her family member is dropping dead, when she has been forcefully made to be part of enemy's family is actually quite the achievement. It isn't the heroism of Iron Man or Superman type, it isn't Antigone or Anna Karenina defying the norms, but it is a story about strength of human spirit and determination to survive. In my book, that is special... But, that's just me :)

:agree:

If I had been in Sansa's shoes as a child thrust into a hostile and dangerous environment with little preparation for intrigue, then seen her father beheaded at the order of the prince she thought she loved, and been beaten and harassed by that prince and his cronies, and made a hostage and pawn by his family, I probably would have behaved far worse than Sansa. I might have become a lot more like my captors, or consciously tried to emulate them, started to become as vicious as they were. Sansa is only coming close to crossing a dangerous ethical line after about three years of life as a captive and pawn in the hands of dangerous adults in AFFC; under the tutelage of Littlefinger, who is coming close to corrupting her because he is her only apparent safe harbor in a Sansa-hating world (that he helped to make) and is himself manipulating and molesting her.

[Disputatious]

She can internally agree and still remind the septa of her place.

You ignored the second half of my point: why?

Also where her father is concerned, Arya gets the benefit of his devotion to his sister (as does Jon). Both Catelyn and Sansa, each in their own way, having never met Lyanna, never understand this.

[ARYa_Nym]

You ignored the second half of my point: why?

Also where her father is concerned, Arya gets the benefit of his devotion to his sister (as does Jon). Both Catelyn and Sansa, each in their own way, having never met Lyanna, never understand this.

You said that Catelyn likely agreed and she said she despaired of making a lady of Arya. That's all well and good but none of that gives a septa the right to speak negatively about someone above her station. As I've said a governess wouldn't have gotten away with it. She would have been checked right on the spot.

What does Ned's devotion to Lyanna have to do with it?

[Newstar]

Arya_Nym: but never in Arya's hearing. Sansa was always polite even to her sister, save when the latter threw the orange at her and ruined the dress.

Theon says that Sansa used to call Arya Arya Horseface. Jeyne's only "correction" is that she, not Sansa, was the one who came up with the name. Also, Arya knew that she was only "Arya Horseface" to "her sister and her sister's friends."

So stop hating on Sansa because she is the ladylike one of the bunch.

Sansa's worst moments in AGOT have nothing to do with being ladylike: telling Arya in a moment of anger after Arya ruins her dress that Arya should have died instead of Lady, for one. Hardly the picture of ladylike composure.

So can we just drop the whole idea that the only reason people could possibly have a problem with Sansa is that she's "ladylike" and "not a badass"?

By this point on the timeline Ned's fate was already sealed and it had nothing to do with Sansa.

Nope. Word of GRRM is that Sansa does bear some responsibility for Ned's death:

In 2001 in St. Louis (from poster Trebla):

He was a bit coy in answering our questions but in the end he did indicate that Sansa did have responsibility for Lady's and Ned's deaths. I reported this to the board and I recall it being dismissed by some. I distinctly recall someone saying, "Well what I think he really meant to say was..."

From a letter from April 1999:

No single person is to blame for Ned's downfall. Sansa played a role, certainly, but it would be unfair to put all the blame on her. But it would also be unfair to exonerate her. She was not privy to all of Ned's plans regarding Stannis, the gold cloaks, etc... but she knew more than just that her father planned to spirit her and Arya away from King's Landing. She knew when they were to leave, on what ship, how many men would be in their escort, who would have the command, where Arya was that morning, etc... all of which was useful to Cersei in planning and timing her move

You might think that Sansa bore no responsibility whatsoever for Ned's death, but GRRM clearly does not share your opinion.

Moreover, even if "Ned's fate was already sealed," which GRRM seems to be contradicting here, that doesn't negate Sansa's choices and actions, just as even if Nurse was dying from the pale mare in any event, that doesn't make Tyrion any less a murderer for finishing him off with mushrooms.

[MyaStoned]

A lot of the haters seem to pass over the type of family she was raised in as well as ignoring major mistakes made by other members of her family. She lived a sheltered and protected life. They didn't teach her the finer arts of being a manipulator or a liar. She was taught to be lady, and she is.

Arya grew up in the exact same environment.

[Disputatious]

Raksha:

A point well put. All the same the betrayal that was the execution of her father hurt to such an extent that she could not rationalize away. She was prepared to see her father sent to take the black, but not to have the promise that he would be permitted to do so torn up that way.

[DJIM]

Funny thing about Sansa is that i dislike her and at the same time she is my favourite Stark. Her snobbish behavour is the reason i disliked her at first and her betrayal of Ned is a huge moment. I thought she was a bit too harsh on Tyrion, understansable in a way, but he showed her kindness and she seemed to take it as a weakness. She had every right to of course but would she be as harsh to, say, Joffrey? She seemed to punish Tyrion for her hate of Joffrey. Still, all this shows that in the end of the day she is only human and her actions seem logical in the context. Do i want her to become a player? Hell no! She won't be Sansa anymore.

[Qhorin Halfhand and Yoren]

I agree mostly but

Why do I care about this at all? Because all of you will probably have to interact with a bratty teenage girl at some point in your lives. When you do, I hope you will be more like the Ned, and less like Boros Blount (and DEFINITELY less like Littlefinger, yikes). More like Septa Mordane and less like Queen Cersei.

lol what.

I doubt most people who dislike dumb teenagers or are a little shallow readers and not very forgiving (or might find her dumb and boring), have any chance to behaving towards teenager girls like these people or in anyway similiar to them. Queen Cersei, Littlefinger, what kind of people do you think you are reading in these forums?

Also, I like Sansa, in fact I like a lot of characters but some of her fans are pretty annoying but I guess it is not unique to Sansa fans. I see whitewashing and making shit up to deny flaws of the character and create a two dimensional caricaturised version that is more perfect and a lot less interesting than the one in the book. And of course bashing of other characters. Now this happens with other characters but in Sansa's case we also have pseudo-feminist identity politics and some people calling others often unjustifiably as misogynists as a weapon of their childish fanwars. That being said, some of the negativity against her is badly motivated and plenty of Sansa haters are certainly no bastion of maturity with their own identity politics and their caricature of Sansa. That is in addition to some of the reasons you explained in the OP for dislike.

[Raksha 2014]

Theon says that Sansa used to call Arya Arya Horseface. Jeyne's only "correction" is that she, not Sansa, was the one who came up with the name. Also, Arya knew that she was only "Arya Horseface" to "her sister and her sister's friends."

Sansa's worst moments in AGOT have nothing to do with being ladylike: telling Arya in a moment of anger after Arya ruins her dress that Arya should have died instead of Lady, for one. Hardly the picture of ladylike composure.

So can we just drop the whole idea that the only reason people could possibly have a problem with Sansa is that she's "ladylike" and "not a badass"?

Nope. Word of GRRM is that Sansa does bear some responsibility for Ned's death:

In 2001 in St. Louis (from poster Trebla):

From a letter from April 1999:

You might think that Sansa bore no responsibility whatsoever for Ned's death, but GRRM clearly does not share your opinion.

Moreover, even if "Ned's fate was already sealed," which GRRM seems to be contradicting here, that doesn't negate Sansa's choices and actions, just as even if Nurse was dying from the pale mare in any event, that doesn't make Tyrion any less a murderer for finishing him off with mushrooms.

Regardless of what GRRM said in documents or words outside the books themselves, Sansa's actions in AGOT were hardly equivalent to those of Tyrion in ADWD. Tyrion meant to kill Nurse, he gave him the mushrooms deliberately with the intent that Nurse would die. At no time during those conversations with Cersei (about Ned's plans to take her away from Joffrey0 did Sansa, who was an immature child rather than an adult in her late 20's (as was Tyrion in ADWD) have the slightest idea that her revelations to Cersei would result in the deaths of Stark retainers, much less the seizure and imprisonment and ultimate death of her father, the flight of Arya, or Jeyne's horrible fate. She was guilty of poor judgment and naivete, but not of intent to murder or kill, in going to Cersei.

[Newstar]

I am sorry, but Sansa's survival through the constant beatings and rape threats, her struggle to remain emotionally stable and psychologically sane when each of her family member is dropping dead, when she has been forcefully made to be part of enemy's family is actually quite the achievement.It isn't the heroism of Iron Man or Superman type, it isn't Antigone or Anna Karenina defying the norms, but it is a story about strength of human spirit and determination to survive. In my book, that is special... But, that's just me :)

The problem is that there's nothing special or exceptional about Sansa's struggle within ASOIAF, and compared to other characters and even other POV characters her sufferings don't seem all that compelling or dramatic:

Her family members are dropping dead, but this is equally true of other POVs who lose relatives and loved ones (not to mention the other Starks).

She undergoes great stress in hostile environments with extremely dangerous people...like pretty much every POV at one point or another, and unlike many of those POVs, her captors have a vested interest in keeping her alive (as a hostage, as a tool to control the North, etc etc.).

She's beaten, but never permanently maimed or disfigured, unlike Jaime, Catelyn, Brienne, Theon, Tyrion, Bran, etc.

She's never starving or even wondering where her next meal is going to come from, unlike Arya, Bran, etc.

She's afraid of being raped by her husband but is never actually raped, unlike Daenerys and Cersei who were raped by their husbands more than once.

It's hard to identify Sansa's struggles as particularly heroic or noteworthy when pretty much every POV in the books is pushed to the wall and is struggling to survive and remain sane. They undergo horrible stress and trauma. They lose their ideals, their dreams, and often enough everything they ever valued. They suffer from PTSD. They lose loved ones before their very eyes, even their own family members. They are imprisoned for long periods of time (often in far less luxurious conditions than Sansa's). They come thisclose to being murdered several times. They are forced to kill other people or be killed themselves. They suffer from terrible illnesses and experience various severe health crises. They undergo physical torture or mental torture surpassing anything Sansa's had to deal with. They lose limbs. They are disfigured. They struggle to stay fed and sheltered, and come close to starving to death. They are raped. They are faced with horrible moral dilemmas which break them. They witness horrible atrocities firsthand. They are betrayed by people they trusted deeply, often repeatedly. And so on.

So I'm not really seeing why Sansa's struggle to survive and stay sane elevates her above any other POV who's fighting the same battle in terms of noteworthiness, especially since in purely objective terms her journey's been a cakewalk compared to theirs.

Regardless of what GRRM said in documents or words outside the books themselves, Sansa's actions in AGOT were hardly equivalent to those of Tyrion in ADWD.

Of course not. My point was that "Ned would have died anyway" would be no defence for Sansa's actions even if it were true, which GRRM seems to be indicating is not the case, since Sansa provided valuable information to Cersei which helped Cersei time her move. I would have used a non-murder example because of the lack of intent to kill on Sansa's part, but I was coming up short, and the only examples I could think of were Nurse and that fannish theory about Oberyn possibly poisoning Tywin before Tyrion killed him, which of course involve murder.

It's kind of academic, since word of GRRM is that Sansa did bear some responsibility for Ned's death (and Lady's, which often brings up similar arguments that "it would have happened anyway and nothing Sansa could have done would have changed anything"), but my point is that the "it would have happened anyway" is no excuse.

[Ziriath]

I like her chapters and how she learns about the real world, but every time it seems to me she becomes more intelligent, she does something stupid then. Shit happens to her, and she is not strong enough to do something to change it, unlike Arya.

''Maybe if I open the Moon Door for Lysa, she will let me go...''.

[Raksha 2014]

Well, bully for you, but having known many "Sansa-ish brats" in my time, I can assure you that some of them never grow out of it, and are just as hateful at 20, 30, etc. as they were at 11. You may have evolved and matured, but a lot of them don't. When I was that age, while I unfortunately knew many "Sansa-ish brats," I also had the privilege of knowing many girls who were not afflicted with horrible behaviours and attitudes by virtue of their age: they were perceptive, kind, considerate, and humble. It's a bit misleading to suggest that such behaviour is forgivable on account of age, since there are many girls that age who are perfectly capable of comporting themselves like decent human beings.

Also, while you congratulate yourself on having grown up and evolved, that doesn't somehow magically negate everything you did and said when you were a hateful brat. Arya is deeply scarred by the mockery she endured from Sansa and Jeyne, and many children suffer lasting psychological damage from the bullying and cruelty they received at the hands of "Sansa-ish brats." That their tormentors sometimes evolve and mature past those behaviours is of cold comfort to them.

Someone who was horrible to me when we were kids apologized to me years later by saying (and I quote) "Yeah, I was kind of a bitch back then." Suffice it to say, I was unimpressed, although I suppose I should be grateful I got anything in the way of apology whatsoever.

Some of them do. Some of them don't. And again, that doesn't negate or magic away anything that they did and said while being terrible children. You can do a lot of damage to your fellow children as a child, as we see with how Arya throws herself into FM training in part because she values "Arya Horseface" so little.

Be that as it may, that doesn't negate or erase anything that Sansa did or said in AGOT, and her actions and words in AGOT are the reason so many are predisposed to dislike her: the damage was done.

I'm not sure I agree that one child calling another unflattering names definitely and always scars them for life, particularly if they are siblings and have been brought up by loving parents in a high-status, fairly wealthy environment. Either Septa Mordane or Ned/Catelyn should have been told, or found out, that Sansa and Jeyne were calling Arya "Horseface" and disciplined Sansa and taught her to behave better, but there was a certain amount of creative/laissez-faire parenting going on at Winterfell. I was called worse than 'horseface' at school, and physically attacked by other kids, and (in one other incident) worse (from my point of view), and I do not blame childish insults and even the attacks (thankfully only twice) for my failures and difficulties in adulthood. I think that blaming Sansa for Arya's taking refuge with the Faceless Men is a huge stretch; Arya believed (with some reason) that she had no other place to go; she had tried to get to her mother and brother, had failed, had witnessed the horrors of war-torn Westeros, and knew her chances of survival as the ward of the Faceless Men were better than on her own.

[NOT A TARG I SWEAR]

what's a sansa?

[Newstar]

I'm not sure I agree that one child calling another unflattering names definitely and always scars them for life, particularly if they are siblings and have been brought up by loving parents in a high-status, fairly wealthy environment.

LOL, you think high-status, wealthy environments are immune to kids being bullied and abused, or that children mistreating or abusing their siblings can't find ways of concealing their behaviour from loving parents? "Such sweet innocence..."

Besides, I never said it "always" scars them for life, but it often does happen, and Arya certainly seems scarred by her treatment. A lot of things fall away from her over the books, but that Horseface nickname is still with her in ADWD and seems to be a shorthand for everything she hates about herself; that's a mark of how deeply it has affected her, that she remembers when so much seems to be fading.

Either Septa Mordane or Ned/Catelyn should have been told, or found out, that Sansa and Jeyne were calling Arya "Horseface" and disciplined Sansa and taught her to behave better, but there was a certain amount of creative/laissez-faire parenting going on at Winterfell.

Can we just stop deflecting from Sansa's actions by blaming her parents for not intervening? Shitty behaviour is shitty, regardless of whether the parents stepped in or not. Laissez-faire parenting or not, Sansa was wrong to treat Arya as she did and should have done better by her sister. Even if she never once used the word "Horseface"--and the evidence is that she did--she should have put a stop to Jeyne doing so.

I was called worse than 'horseface' at school, and physically attacked by other kids, and (in one other incident) worse (from my point of view), and I do not blame childish insults and even the attacks (thankfully only twice) for my failures and difficulties in adulthood.

That's nice for you, but that was your experience and your feelings, which others might not share. Suggesting that those who do suffer lasting psychological problems as a result of mistreatment as a child at others' hands are just "blaming" their misfortunes on "childish insults" reeks of minimizing bullshit, especially given the rash of teenage suicides due to bullying over the past few years; I suppose they were just "blaming childish insults" too, huh?

Very carefully, now: if you are hurt as a result of someone mistreating you, it's not your fault for being hurt, it's the fault of the person hurting you. Anything else is just victim-blaming...which strangely seems to arise whenever someone points out the effects of Sansa's behaviour on Arya; I'm sure the insistence that Arya is "too sensitive" for being poorly affected by the nickname isn't far behind.

I think that blaming Sansa for Arya's taking refuge with the Faceless Men is a huge stretch

Not entirely, sure, but I think "Arya Horseface" had something to do with it. She links "stupid" Arya Stark to "Arya Horseface" and her contempt for her former identity in ADWD:

"She never cared if she was pretty, even when she was stupid Arya Stark (...) To her sister and sister's friends and all the rest, she had just been Arya Horseface."

Also, forgot this quote in the books that suggests that Sansa did call Arya Horseface, confirming Theon in ADWD saying that Sansa used to call Arya Horseface:

"She bit her lip, groping for another name. Lommy had called her Lumpyhead, Sansa used Horseface..."

We really need to put to bed the idea that Sansa never called Arya "Horseface," because she clearly did.

[SeanF]

I'm not sure I agree that one child calling another unflattering names definitely and always scars them for life, particularly if they are siblings and have been brought up by loving parents in a high-status, fairly wealthy environment. Either Septa Mordane or Ned/Catelyn should have been told, or found out, that Sansa and Jeyne were calling Arya "Horseface" and disciplined Sansa and taught her to behave better, but there was a certain amount of creative/laissez-faire parenting going on at Winterfell. I was called worse than 'horseface' at school, and physically attacked by other kids, and (in one other incident) worse (from my point of view), and I do not blame childish insults and even the attacks (thankfully only twice) for my failures and difficulties in adulthood. I think that blaming Sansa for Arya's taking refuge with the Faceless Men is a huge stretch; Arya believed (with some reason) that she had no other place to go; she had tried to get to her mother and brother, had failed, had witnessed the horrors of war-torn Westeros, and knew her chances of survival as the ward of the Faceless Men were better than on her own.

Being brought up in a castle is probably similar, in some ways, to being brought up in a boarding school. You'll see far more of the other castle children, and the equivalents of the teachers (Septons, Septas, Maesters, Masters-at-arms, senior servants) than you will of your parents. If your parents hear that you get called "horseface", they'll likely just shrug it off, and think a few hard knocks will do no harm.

I have to say that I and most people of my acquaintance got called far worse at school.

[Lee-Sensei]

Jon didn't intervene because he was a low-class "bastard" in a Winterfell that had been made horribly class-conscious and awful by the Southron influence of Catelyn Tully and her Septa and her snobbish Tullyish daughter.

That southron corrupted the proud Northern Race's utopia.

I think the Sansa hate comes from her being a snobby spoiled girl in AGoT. Unfortunately, many people aren't able or willing to see hat she's grown and changed since then. Personally, I've loved her character since the beginning.