SerArthurHeath Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 I think that with all the fighting Jaime's done that he'd be aware of Gregor's strengths and know how to counteract them. The Mountain's seriously dangerous, not to be taken lightly, and Jaime is aware of that. Oberyn's a Martell, maybe not the brightest family in Westeros. (How many Martell plots do we see succeed, as an example?)Oberyn's succeeded. He got what he wanted, Gregor dying in agony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Isn't Aragorn also slightly superhuman even beyond longevity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twenty of House Goodmen Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Isn't Aragorn also slightly superhuman even beyond longevity?Yep. And he's taller than Jaime, with a far better sword, and a lifetime of experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerArthurHeath Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Isn't Aragorn also slightly superhuman even beyond longevity?He is a better version of human, so yeah. But he doesn't use plate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prince Not Promised Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Isn't Aragorn also slightly superhuman even beyond longevity? Yeah, but not outrageously so besides the longevity. Well, I guess there's the whole thing where he ran for like 3 days straight, but besides that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester_Withoutchains Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Oberyn only nearly beat the Mountain because he planned out the fight for years. planning and being to execute are two different things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester_Withoutchains Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 That's true, he doesn't really have any straight up duels in the books. If it was Aragorn at the same age as Jaime I'd actually consider it a really fair fight, and maybe even give Jaime the advantage. But the Aragorn in the books has about 40-50 years of experience on Jaime while physically still being about the same. That's the only reason I give Aragorn the edge. LOTR>>>>>song of fire and ice sometimes i wonder how people come up with Jaime is 'best' warrior. if you go by the text then is he a above average warrior. he survived the kingswood brotherhood and battles he was involved with in WOT5Ks. he has won a few tournaments. granted if he is your favorite character thats fine. but in reality we dont know how well the other knights lords and soldiers match up. there are certrain points in the books that give us insight. i dont beileve that jaime would fair any better against others against the mountain that rides. Prince Oberyn strat was well thought out for his opponent. and before people write th at GRRM states Jaime id the best ... he also was comparing him to Aragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt 'n' Gravy Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 And i don't think anyone at the ToJ managed to beat Arthur Dayne with swordmanship skill. Even jaime would have had it difficult facing the legendary sword of the morning. But they did outnumber him, and i think Ned did command the men around to aproach Arthur Dayne in such a way that he didn't stand a chance, outmaneuvered so to say, and that this was how they could beat Arthur Dayne.I thought Howland Reed defeated the Sword of the Morning using crannogman magic or the big reveal that he was Arthur Dayne's brother-in-law (If you believe the theory that Jyana Reed is Ashara Dayne.) or simply by getting him tangled in a net.D and D really like the Starks.Like the Starks, I'm on board with that. But I will never forgive them for the mauling they gave to Stannis Baratheon's character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roddy the Ruin Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 I think either Howland had the whole "I'm your new brother" reveal or he snuck up behind Arthur right before he was about to kill Ned, and stabbed him through the back of the knee with his trident. Similar to how the Lannister soldier stabbed Ned through the knew in the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aduro Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Oberyn's succeeded. He got what he wanted, Gregor dying in agony Yeah, I'm sure the big smear of blood on Gregor's gauntlet was a sarcastic smiley face. I think that fight can be considered an unlikely draw for Oberyn, he should have picked a less dramatic and more dishonorable way to take revenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oberoth Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 At swordplay? Jaime.A better person? Jaime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 At swordplay? Jaime. A better person? Jaime. Jaime is a far better fighter than Ned, but he's not a better person. Ned's pretty nice by the standards of Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Broke Howard Hughes Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Ned wouldn't have hesitated to fight him but Ned would have died. Jamie is said to be one of the best swordsmen of all time. Ned no matter how good, or bad, wouldn't have a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronn Urgandy Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Was is it Barristan said about a blade of grass, or what you had to eat the night before? Ned better hope Jaime got absolutely wasted, ate a big fat curry, is standing in a puddle trying to deal with the sun in his eyes with a bigger hangover than even Tyrion gets, he might have a chance after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerArthurHeath Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 LOTR>>>>>song of fire and ice sometimes i wonder how people come up with Jaime is 'best' warrior. if you go by the text then is he a above average warrior. he survived the kingswood brotherhood and battles he was involved with in WOT5Ks. he has won a few tournaments. granted if he is your favorite character thats fine. but in reality we dont know how well the other knights lords and soldiers match up. there are certrain points in the books that give us insight. i dont beileve that jaime would fair any better against others against the mountain that rides. Prince Oberyn strat was well thought out for his opponent. and before people write th at GRRM states Jaime id the best ... he also was comparing him to AragonBelieve what you like! Lots of points in the book point to Jaime being an excellent fighter, including the opinions of every single skilled fighter who has a vocal or mental opinion about it, or anyone who has seen him fight . And Jaime himself, who while a dick has insight. And you know, the reputation thing. Where do people think reputations come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuem Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Jamie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadQueenAmberTargaryen Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Ned's large reputation in the books comes more from winning larger battles, not one on one combat. Jaime is the better swordsman while need would be the better commander I'd think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronn Urgandy Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 I am always puzzled by this question. Not implying that OP has said this, but it always seems to me that a character has to have great fighting prowess or they're lacking something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollowcrown Posted May 7, 2014 Author Share Posted May 7, 2014 I am always puzzled by this question. Not implying that OP has said this, but it always seems to me that a character has to have great fighting prowess or they're lacking something. It's just good to hypothesise. Ned and Stannis > Jaime and Robert in commanding, but vice versa for single combat. However Ned did survive the Tower of Joy so it's always cool to speculate on how he did that and if he is actually a secretly amazing warrior with some neat tricks up his sleeve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Ned's large reputation in the books comes more from winning larger battles, not one on one combat. Jaime is the better swordsman while need would be the better commander I'd think. Does Ned have a great reputation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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