HelenaExMachina Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Tyrion already guessed Aegon's identity before the cyvasse game. I don't think Haldon knows the real identity of Aegon (I mean that he is a Blackfyre or whatever).I think RumHam means that Haldon told Tyrion (or.confirmed, if you believe Tyrion had already guessed. I dont but hey ho) that Young Griff was Aegon Targaryen. He obviously knows (or has been told) he is Aegon TargaryenETA: I'm pretty sure that qualifies as a pretty big secret Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Hmm, I got it. Tyrion already had his doubts. He confirmed from Haldon that YG is Aegon and the OG is JonCon. Then, he told them his conclusions while passing the Sorrows. He fell to the river. When he woke up, he played his game with Aegon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 I think the idea is that he confirmed Aegon's identity.But which identity, the false one, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 But which identity, the false one, right? That depends on which theory you believe in.. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaegal Targaryen Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Tyrion knows the true identity of Aegon?Hm i dont know what to believe Aegon can be either real or a BF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelenaExMachina Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Tyrion knows the true identity of Aegon?Hm i dont know what to believe Aegon can be either real or a BF. Tyrion knows what the crew of the Shy Maid consider to be Aegon's real identity. We (i.e. the readers) don't know whether this is Aegon's real identity or not. The point is that Haldon either told Tyrion or confirmed it to hin when he told him "secrets" after their cyvasse wager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Aegon is not the son of Rhaegar. He is a descendant of Daemon Blackfyre. Haldon told him "offscreen" that Aegon was the son of Rhaegar. Tyrion however suspects the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted August 17, 2014 Author Share Posted August 17, 2014 Aegon is not the son of Rhaegar. He is a descendant of Daemon Blackfyre. Haldon told him "offscreen" that Aegon was the son of Rhaegar. Tyrion however suspects the truth. While that would not surprise me, I did not remember finding evidence for it. Do you remember where it is hinted at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Aegon is not the son of Rhaegar. He is a descendant of Daemon Blackfyre. Haldon told him "offscreen" that Aegon was the son of Rhaegar. Tyrion however suspects the truth.To avoid confusion for newcomers, that is a theory.In a recent poll, it turned out that the opinions on the Targaryen/Blackfyre discussions are actually divided somewhere around the 50-50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 While that would not surprise me, I did not remember finding evidence for it. Do you remember where it is hinted at?He most likely means Tyrion thinking "he may be a Targaryen after all" after Tyrion and Aegon played cyvasse.Keep in mind that that quote does not suggest Tyrion believed Aegon to be a Blackfyre before, but rather, just some random fake boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted August 17, 2014 Author Share Posted August 17, 2014 Keep in mind that that quote does not suggest Tyrion believed Aegon to be a Blackfyre before, but rather, just some random fake boy. That's it. "The Truth" is quite a difficuls abstract concept and we may possibly never learn what (f)Aegon's actual ancestry is. And my in hindsight rather malformed question should have said: Where is a hint at Tyrion suspecting Aegon to be of Daemon Blackfyre's family tree? That's because I did not see it. It is obscurely told to the reader in the books (Septon Meribald, Illyrion, even Tyrion's early ADwD chapters). But not obviously happening as a thought in his mind. Or else, I must have missed it in my re-read... which would not surprise me if I did :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 That's it. "The Truth" is quite a difficuls abstract concept and we may possibly never learn what (f)Aegon's actual ancestry is. And my in hindsight rather malformed question should have said: Where is a hint at Tyrion suspecting Aegon to be of Daemon Blackfyre's family tree? That's because I did not see it. It is obscurely told to the reader in the books (Septon Meribald, Illyrion, even Tyrion's early ADwD chapters). But not obviously happening as a thought in his mind. Or else, I must have missed it in my re-read... which would not surprise me if I did :)The great thing about all hints given about (f)Aegon is that they can be viewed in two ways. In a way favouring the "Aegon is fake" team, and in a way favouring the "Aegon is real" team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted August 17, 2014 Author Share Posted August 17, 2014 The great thing about all hints given about (f)Aegon is that they can be viewed in two ways. In a way favouring the "Aegon is fake" team, and in a way favouring the "Aegon is real" team. As to what I said a about "Truth" - it applies to "real" as well. The real Aegon, son of Rhaegar's or the real Aegon Mopatis-Blackfyre or the real Aegon the Kingslander... As for the first I have to sob there have gone 4 books where he'd be as dead as Ned.Then one where we are supposed that was a big coverup. I find that unfairly hard to buy.For the latter two, there are hints, elsewhere throughout the last two books. That's better, though far from good. I am out of any Aegon team, but I am all in team "Drogon, the wildfire-lighter".There's just so much more Drogon burning stuff, Dany wanting to claim the Iron Throne and more wildfire throughout the books than there is for Aegon survived or Aegon is a Blackfyre.So - my questionWhere is a hint at Tyrion suspecting Aegon to be of Daemon Blackfyre's family tree?...was not a small one, after all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nastydream Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Is XXD gay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Is XXD gay? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batbob45 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Do Doran depised Robert for what happen to Elia and the kids since Tywin did it to please Robert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Do Doran depised Robert for what happen to Elia and the kids since Tywin did it to please Robert? The Martells are angry because Robert hasn't punished Tywin for the things that were done to Elia, Aegon and Rhaenys. Nor has Robert given them the justice they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted August 17, 2014 Author Share Posted August 17, 2014 Is XXD gay? I was wondering too. Yes. sorry for being no expert on matters, how do we know it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelenaExMachina Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Is XXD gay? 99.99% sure its yes. Always leave that chance for being wrong ;) Biggest clues are Dany thinking about his pretty male slaves in wisps of silk and which dancers Xaro was watching in Meereen. Oh, and his seeming lack of interest in Dany's looks....and her breast.ETA: those are the hints I can think of off the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mychel_Redfort Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 99.99% sure its yes. Always leave that chance for being wrong ;) Biggest clues are Dany thinking about his pretty male slaves in wisps of silk and which dancers Xaro was watching in Meereen. Oh, and his seeming lack of interest in Dany's looks....and her breast.ETA: those are the hints I can think of off the top of my head. Clash 40 Daenerys III Dany smiled. Xaro's flowery protestations of passion amused her, but his manner was at odds with his words. While Ser Jorah had scarcely been able to keep his eyes from her bare breast when he'd helped her into the palanquin, Xaro hardly deigned to notice it, even in these close confines. And she had seen the beautiful boys who surrounded the merchant prince, flitting through his palace halls in wisps of silk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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