Drth Fel Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 We're Sellswords mate, the rules of brodom are merely just guidelines.I demand parlay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of the West Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 He's unintentional comic relief and a placeholder as far a I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ummester Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 He's unintentional comic relief and a placeholder as far a I'm concerned. He's a placeholder until he is revealed, where he becomes both one to dread and a trip east to Westeros :D Meh, it could be wrong, anything can - but it can also be right. From an overall story telling perspective, there has to be a reason for the Iron Islanders getting such plot detail in Feast. It has to tie into the conclusion somehow - and I think it is reasonable to expect Dany's conclusion will be in Westeros, not Essos, otherwise she is essentially just a side story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearQueen87 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Oh my goodness, I was quoted. :cheers: Lord Stoneheart How do I, someone who loves Dany quite a bit, feel about Daario? First and foremost I fully support that Daenerys Targaryen gets to sleep with whoever the hell she wants so long as it's consensual on both parts. I'm...mildly...vocal about who I prefer Dany with but I'm not going to hate her simply because I personally don't like the guy she's sleeping with. Daario to me is like some sort of over the top Han Solo type. Every ridiculous thing GRRM could do for Daario, he did. He's got the funny hair, the swagger, the silly swords, he says outlandish and at times troubling things. He's cocky and maybe it's my own personal taste in men but I don't like swaggery guys. Add to this that I think Daario might (MIGHT) betray her at some point. My good friend Kyoshi will now come down on me with two gilded swords to defend the guy he once told me was "the monster Dany needs." I think Kyoshi has a point, FWIW. Having just finished the Dany re-read project I think I am now more able to vocalize my thoughts on Daario. He is war. He is blood. He is the kind of wanton brutal violence that is only one half of Dany's equation. As a Dany fan, I see her as incredibly dualistic. She's the mother (life, creation) of dragons (death, war). She occupies a special place between those elements and Daario is really just one aspect, not both. If Hizdahr can be representative of peace (I have issues with this since Hizzy and his cronies are working for the Harpy but..Dany views him as the road to peace, so I'm going with it) then Daario is war. Dany chose peace once, she'll choose war (actual war) the next time. But neither is who she is ultimately. And I think she needs someone who understands that sometimes you must fight in order to create something new not just fighting for fighting sake and not someone who wants to keep the status quo. Daario isn't so much concerned with building anything new; it's the fight he loves and he'll never understand her desire for home and stability. The red door might just be a metaphor for happiness and will forever be a symbol of an ideal home that can never be reached, but I don't think Daario can even comprehend why Dany would want to fight for that ideal. When she's with Daario, Dany loses more of that fire within her. Now to be fair to Daario, it's not actually his fault cause Dany's losing bits of her fire all over Meereen once she chains her dragons. The image Dany has in her head of Daario is one of a dashing captain who will take her home, build her a house with a red door, and make passionate love to her. The problem is when Dany's imagined reality smacks up against reality. Daario is a sell sword; he's rutheless, blood thirsty, cruel. In ADWD Dany IV, she thinks that he wouldn't care if she commanded him to stop kissing her, he'd keep after her. He is 100% okay with trying to seduce Dany in her own rooms. He delights in titillating her with his swords. He openly calls her Daenerys. I don't think it's a relationship of mutual respect. Daario does brag about bedding her, after all. I also think that the one true sex scene we get of Dany and Daario is telling. GRRM writes sex a lot of different ways. There is the idea of tender love making that both parties enjoy (Ned and Cat) and there is straight up awkward (Petyr and Lysa on their wedding night). But the one sex scene of Daario/Dany we get in ADWD--the night before her marriage to Hizzy--is about as explicit as GRRM gets, I think. In fact, in the Dany re-read project, I said it was almost pornographic. And I think that is important. Porn, when you boil it down, is really just a fantasy. It's just a day at the office for the actors but to the viewer it's meant as escapism. And I think that's what GRRM was trying to convey with that final sex scene between Daario and Dany. It's Dany's escape from everything around her, as BBP betrays her, as she begins to doubt who she is, as she wonders if she'll ever have a true friend, as she puts off Westeros yet again. Sex with Daario is good but it's an escape. A way to not deal. And, for me, that's not a healthy relationship and not something I want for her happiness. Now if in Winds, Dany decides that Daario is her happiness and that she's going to stick with their relationship, then I'll cheer her for making her own decisions in regards to her body. I don't see it happening, but if it does...good for you, Dany. tl;dr ....Not a big Daario fan, but I want Dany to be happy ultimately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pod The Impaler Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I usually see Daario met with hate or disapproval when mentioned. I don't really know how Dany fans feel about him though What do you guys think about Daario? I think he is a douchebag. Dany has fallen for someone who is basically flashy scum. I hope one of the corpses being flung at the walls of Meereen is his. (I doubt it though.) Failing that, I look forward to seeing Victarion. Jorah, or Barristan cut him to shreds in Winds of Winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Failing that, I look forward to seeing Victarion. Jorah, or Barristan cut him to shreds in Winds of Winter.Unless Daario betrays Dany, and she knows about it, Victarion killing him will not make a real good first impression. If Jorah kills him that would probably end any chance he has at her forgiving him. Barristan would be my choice out of those three. It would serve Daario right for all the "Ser Grandfather" shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I think Daario's an arse, to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I am not a Dany fan but I think Daario is garbage, and a clown. Even if it is consensual on both parts, I do not respect Dany's decision. So far, Dany's choices of men are really terrible and Victarion seems like the best person to carry on the pattern. Or Tyrion. I should never have taken him into my bed. He was only a sellsword, no fit consort for a queen, and yet …I knew that all along, but I did it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I am not a Dany fan but I think Daario is garbage, and a clown. Even if it is consensual on both parts, I do not respect Dany's decision. So far, Dany's choices of men are really terrible and Victarion seems like the best person to carry on the pattern. Or Tyrion. I should never have taken him into my bed. He was only a sellsword, no fit consort for a queen, and yet …I knew that all along, but I did it anyway.Well, her options haven't been terribly great, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CassBlackfyre Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Well, her options haven't been terribly great, either. idk. We all know the story of brown ben plumms famous ancestor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I am not a Dany fan but I think Daario is garbage, and a clown. Even if it is consensual on both parts, I do not respect Dany's decision. So far, Dany's choices of men are really terrible and Victarion seems like the best person to carry on the pattern. Or Tyrion. I should never have taken him into my bed. He was only a sellsword, no fit consort for a queen, and yet I knew that all along, but I did it anyway.She has chosen exactly one man on her own. Not exactly something you point out as a pattern. Also, what's up with people using E-Ro's terminology lately? Is it meant as homage or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyenon15 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Hayturs gonna hate!!!pimpin Daario just brush dem off while his gold toof make the *ding* noise from shinin in hot Essos sun.Sit down an cry about da blue hair not bein luxurious when ya KNOW it is!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danelle Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I love Dany but I cannot stand Daario. Too arrogant, too flamboyant and too annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Well, her options haven't been terribly great, either. I think Jorah was not that bad as an option. She has chosen exactly one man on her own. Not exactly something you point out as a pattern. The pattern becomes more clear considering who she chose and who she rejected (Jorah, Xaro, Shavepate, Hizdahr at the beginning). Also, what's up with people using E-Ro's terminology lately? Is it meant as homage or something? Regardless, it defines Daario perfectly :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CassBlackfyre Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Also, what's up with people using E-Ro's terminology lately? Is it meant as homage or something? When the sun has set no candle can replace it :frown5: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I think Jorah was not that bad as an option. The pattern becomes more clear considering who she chose and who she rejected (Jorah, Xaro, Shavepate, Hizdahr at the beginning). Regardless, it defines Daario perfectly :)Xaro's into boys, and the Shavepate's an ugly sadist. I can't really blame her.I'm not exactly sure about Jorah. There is a degree of attraction on her part, but she can't stand his possessiveness. Had Jorah been more patient, and less truculent, I think they'd have eventually become lovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davrum Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Daario to me is like some sort of over the top Han Solo type. Every ridiculous thing GRRM could do for Daario, he did. He's got the funny hair, the swagger, the silly swords, he says outlandish and at times troubling things. He's cocky and maybe it's my own personal taste in men but I don't like swaggery guys. Han Solo is a lot less flamboyant than Daario. Like so much less flamboyant he's the exact opposite of flamboyant. Like any fly-under-the-radar smuggler would be. I get your point though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyenon15 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Daario is probably more scruffy lookin than Han though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ummester Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I imagine Daario more like a blue Chewbacca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davrum Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Daario is probably more scruffy lookin than Han though. Well, he does resemble a nerf herder to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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