Maester Tormund Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Currently reading about House Tully and their history during the Dance of the Dragons and noticed a similarity in the names of the lords and heirs of House Tully and the residents of a certain street where large birds roam and hairy green people live in trash cans. -The old, bedridden infirm Lord Grover Tully who supported Viserys over Laenor Velaryon 101 AC and alter pledged his support for King Aegon II. -His grandson, a knight who defied his wishes to support King Aegon II by shutting the gates of Riverrun and later declaring for Rhaenyra, Ser Elmo Tully. -Ser Elmo, later Lord Elmo after his grandfather died, did not live long as a lord. He died whilst on the march during the war. He was succeeded by his young son, Lord Kermit Tully. So what else have you guys found that are references or nods to other works? This one was pretty obvious but knowing GRRM I'm sure we have some much more subtle ones in here. (Also for those of you who have the strange combination of both having lived under a rock, never watching television as a child, and being too lazy to click the links those are all names of Muppets from Sesame Street) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Lepus Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Lovecraft. Lovecraft everywhere, too many references to count: The Iron Islands alone are full of references to Chtulhu's and Dagon's mythology, (the Drowned God, the name Dagon, the Greyjoy sigil...etc.) And then we have references to the Deep Ones/Fish People everywhere, from the Iron Islands to the Thousand Islands. And then we have K'Dath and Carcossa, and it goes on and on and on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis's Lawyer Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 GRRM made me hate Lovecraft. Really, why do you have to make everything from the Iron Islands to Braavos, Leng to Carcosa Lovecraftian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masha Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Reading House Targaryen - War of Dragons. Some peasant girl named Nettle adopted a wild dragon and then vanished with it. Can't remember where girl Nettle comes from. Robin Hobb? I read it somewhere, been in my head since! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpes Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Quite a few cultures using an island as a place of exile or confinement (as an Aussie I am reminded of Botany Bay though this could easily apply to any society that used a far off place as a prison etc). The fall of Sallosh (City of Scholars) on the Silver Shore by the Dothraki and the destruction of its legendary library is a likely reference to what happened to the Library of Alexandria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of Godsgrace Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 City of Lyber where the acolytes of a spider goddess and a serpent god wage an endlee war is a nod to Fritz Leiber's The Big Time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grey Wolf Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 In the Iron Islands section there is a Sauron Saltongue and in another section (can't remember which) there is a lady named Arwen, both of which are obvious references to LOTR. Also, the last king of Massey's Hook, Josua, was called "Softspear". Could that be a reference to John I of England (who was known as John Lackland and John Softsword)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veltigar Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 GRRM made me hate Lovecraft. Really, why do you have to make everything from the Iron Islands to Braavos, Leng to Carcosa Lovecraftian? I have to agree. Some nods like Dagon or Carcossa were cool, but making everything Lovecraftian wasn't the best idea he ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Lord Elmo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Elric > Eldric the ShadowchaserYyrkoon > Hyrkoon There are a lot of Viking references about the Ironborn. The Grey King also taught men to weave nets and sails and carved the first longship from the hard pale wood of Ygg, a demon tree who fed on human flesh. This tree called Ygg is a reference to Yggdrasil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay's Penguins Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 There is a ship called the Spearshaker. Almost certainly a Shakespeare ref. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Winter Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Can't remember where girl Nettle comes from. Robin Hobb? I read it somewhere, been in my head since! Nettle - From Assassin and Tawny Man trilogies by Robin Hobb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Tormund Posted November 2, 2014 Author Share Posted November 2, 2014 Reading House Targaryen - War of Dragons. Some peasant girl named Nettle adopted a wild dragon and then vanished with it. Can't remember where girl Nettle comes from. Robin Hobb? I read it somewhere, been in my head since! Nettles is also mentioned later on in the Vale as a woods witch with a dragon who appeared after the Dance of the Dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Nettle - From Assassin and Tawny Man trilogies by Robin Hobb.Indeed (and in the Fitz and Fool book, and presumably the other ones that are in the works).I also caught the Ygg/Yggdrasil one mentioned by Antz.ETA: Some of the Black Stone stuff also reminds me a little of the Numenoreans in LOTR bringing the Stone of Erech with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H0X0 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 GRRM made me hate Lovecraft. Really, why do you have to make everything from the Iron Islands to Braavos, Leng to Carcosa Lovecraftian?*cough* Carcosa is Chambers, not Lovecraft. *cough*http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_in_Yellow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs.Grumpy Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 City of Lyber where the acolytes of a spider goddess and a serpent god wage an endlee war is a nod to Fritz Leiber's The Big Time. Oooh, cool. From the moment I read about Lyder, I was sure that it was a nod to something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Lepus Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 *cough* Carcosa is Chambers, not Lovecraft. *cough*http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_in_Yellow Ambrose Bierce was the creator of Carcosa. Robert W. Chambers and H.P. Lovecraft both recycled the name for their stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H0X0 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Ambrose Bierce was the creator of Carcosa. Robert W. Chambers and H.P. Lovecraft both recycled the name for their stories.I stand corrected. Thanks. ETA: But he does claim to be the 69th Yellow Emperor, so it seems more a nod to Chambers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faydra Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 (Also for those of you who have the strange combination of both having lived under a rock, never watching television as a child, and being too lazy to click the links those are all names of Muppets from Sesame Street) I identify with this perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Lepus Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 (Also for those of you who have the strange combination of both having lived under a rock, never watching television as a child, and being too lazy to click the links those are all names of Muppets from Sesame Street) Well, there is also those people from countries that aren't english-speaking where all the Muppets' names were translated to the local language... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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