If The Iron Throne Passed To A Female- Does The Line Of Succession Become Androcentric?

[Rhinoman]

Was thinking about the reign of Tommen and what happens if he was to die. The Iron Throne would pass on to Myrcella, and since Westeros values its Kings in its history, the dynasty of the reign would fall under who she marries.

IE: There have been two dynasty's in Westeros- Targareyen and Baratheon.

If Myrcella is force married to Trystane in TWOW (personal belief) and Tommen dies, Trystane gets the crown.

If Trystane and Myrcella were to die, who would be in line for the throne? Would Doran be the next in line for the Iron Throne or would the female line retake possession(Stannis as King)?

[BRANDON GREYSTARK]

Myrella ,Trystane doesn't become her king until she is with child .

[Colonel Green]

If Myrcella is force married to Trystane in TWOW (personal belief) and Tommen dies, Trystane gets the crown.

No, Trystane would not get the crown. The crown is Myrcella's, and the Lannister-Tyrell regime would never want Trystane to get it.

[IdoTheChoombi]

there IS the question of who takes the throne if Myrcella and tommen dies, by lannister logic that would be stannis, but since they obviously won't give him the throne, then....cersei? some cousin the baratheons?

[Lord Lannister]

The only circumstance Trystane would get the crown is if Myrcella gave birth to a child before she died and he was regent until they came of age. Otherwise the next logical branch of the family is Stannis and Shireen by birthright. Honestly, the Lannister/Baratheon regime is quite fragile at this point. I don't even think it would survive Tommen's death, nonetheless Tommen and Myrcella.

[JonCon's Red Beard]

Margaery didn't remain Queen after Joffrey died. Otherwise, she wouldn't need Tommen.

Cersei is an special case. She named herself regent of Joffrey because she was his closest relative, but that doesn't mean that's a title she's entitled to have, though.

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The only circumstance Trystane would get the crown is if Myrcella gave birth to a child before she died and he was regent until they came of age. Otherwise the next logical branch of the family is Stannis and Shireen by birthright. Honestly, the Lannister/Baratheon regime is quite fragile at this point. I don't even think it would survive Tommen's death, nonetheless Tommen and Myrcella.

This is correct. Trystane would be a consort and derive his power, if he even had any, from Myrcella. And actually, Stannis should come before Myrcella, but he's attainted, so there you go. But if Myrcella dies, they'd either have to dismiss Stannis' attainder or go looking for other Baratheon relations and probably call another Great Council.

The Baratheons are still the royal family, officially. It isn't the Lannisters, the Tyrells or (if Trystane and Myrcella married) the Martells. Joffrey, Tommen and Myrcella rule as Baratheons, in a legal sense. The entire issue of their legitimacy is that they are not actually Baratheons.

[Ferocious Veldt Roarer]

Was thinking about the reign of Tommen and what happens if he was to die. The Iron Throne would pass on to Myrcella, and since Westeros values its Kings in its history, the dynasty of the reign would fall under who she marries.

IE: There have been two dynasty's in Westeros- Targareyen and Baratheon.

If Myrcella is force married to Trystane in TWOW (personal belief) and Tommen dies, Trystane gets the crown.

If Trystane and Myrcella were to die, who would be in line for the throne? Would Doran be the next in line for the Iron Throne or would the female line retake possession(Stannis as King)?

What would happen? A merry clusterfuck, that's what. Or, in other words, a succession crisis. As we've seen time and again, in such times there's no "correct" answers. Let me to quote that old bore Gyldayn: There were two principal claimants to the Iron Throne upon the death of King Viserys I Targaryen: his daughter Rhaenyra, the only surviving child of his first marriage, and Aegon, his eldest son by his second wife. Amidst the chaos and carnage brought on by their rivalry, other would-be kings would stake claims as well, strutting about like mummers on a stage for a fortnight or a moon’s turn, only to fall as swiftly as they had arisen.

The same will happen should the current pseudo-Baratheon branch go extinct. Claimants will arise left and right. And most of them will be Totally Rightful Kings, too. They'll claim blood relation to House Baratheon or House Targaryen, royal in-laws, Lannisters, Tyrells, Martells could have a go as well. No, there is no one correct answer.

Hey, we even have an SSM discussing exactly this issue. Probably the most frequently quoted one, too. But what the heck.

There are no clear cut answers, either in Westeros or in real medieval history. Things were often decided on a case by case basis. A case might set a precedent for later cases... but as often as not, the precedents conflicted as much as the claims.

In fact, if you look at medieval history, conflicting claims were the cause of three quarters of the wars. The Hundred Years War grew out of a dispute about whether a nephew or a grandson of Philip the Fair had a better claim to the throne of France. The nephew got the decision, because the grandson's claim passed through a daughter (and because he was the king of England too). And that mess was complicated by one of the precedents (the Salic Law) that had been invented a short time before to resolve the dispute after the death of Philip's eldest son, where the claimants were (1) the daughter of Philip's eldest son, who may or may not have been a bastard, her mother having been an adulteress, (2) the unborn child of the eldest son that his secon wife was carrying, sex unknown, and (3) Philip's second son, another Philip. Lawyers for (3) dug up the Salic Law to exclude (1) and possibly (2) if she was a girl, but (2) was a boy so he became king, only he died a week later, and (3) got the throne after all. But then when he died, his own children, all daughters, were excluded on the basis of the law he's dug up, and the throne went to the youngest son instead... and meanwhile (1) had kids, one of whom eventually was the king of Navarre, Charles the Bad, who was such a scumbag in the Hundred Years War in part because he felt =his= claim was better than that of either Philip of Valois or Edward Plantagenet. And you know, it was. Only Navarre did not have an army as big as France or England, so no one took him seriously.

The Wars of the Roses were fought over the issue of whether the Lancastrian claim (deriving from the third son of Edward III in direct male line) or the Yorkist claim (deriving from a combination of Edward's second son, but through a female line, wed to descendants of his fourth son, through the male) was superior. And a whole family of legitimized bastard stock, the Beauforts, played a huge role.

And when Alexander III, King of Scots, rode over a cliff, and Margaret the Maid of Norway died en route back home, and the Scottish lords called on Edward I of England to decide who had the best claim to the throne, something like fourteen or fifteen (I'd need to look up the exact number) "competitors" came forward to present their pedigrees and documents to the court. The decision eventually boiled down to precedence (John Balliol) versus proximity (Bruce) and went to Balliol, but those other thirteen guys all had claims as well. King of Eric of Norway, for instance, based his claim to the throne on his =daughter=, the aforementioned Maid of Norway, who had been the queen however briefly. He seemed to believe that inheritance should run backwards. And hell, if he had been the king of France instead of the king of Norway, maybe it would have.

[aryagonnakill#2]

Its pretty simple really. Once Tommen dies, Aegon sits the throne until he dies too.

[A spoon of knife and fork]

So, I think that trystane will be crowned king once Myrcella is queen. However most would still agree that the legitimacy to rule is derived from Myrcellas bloodline. Hence, trystane being king is conditional upon Myrcella being alive, and ultimately having an heir.

So while trystane is king, it's not a heritable title - unless he has a child by Myrcella. Sometimes the husband in such cases is called "prince consort" for this reason, but in other cases he is called king and has the powers associated (excepting the right to appoint an heir of his choice).

[Viserys - The last dragon]

Someone from House Eastormont (cant remember their name) would get it.

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Someone from House Eastormont (cant remember their name) would get it.

Where are you getting that? If it's because of Cassana Estermont, that doesn't work. The Estermonts aren't Baratheons, they just married into the Baratheons. They'd have to work backward to find a family the Baratheons had married into, not the other way around.

[Guess who's back]

Its pretty simple really. Once Tommen dies, Aegon sits the throne until he dies too.

Stannis is in front of Aegon in succession

[Cubarey]

Trystane would not ever become The reigning King, he would be the Consort, his child with Maycella would be the King after Mycella dies. If Mycella dies before giving birth , the hier would be her closest living Baratheone relative (as Mycella and her brothers supposedly inherited the Throne from their "father" Robert). If there is no living Baratheone, or if he is too distantly related a Great Council or KingsMoots would decide who got the thrown (or another civil war would be fought and the winner would get the throne as the "right of Conquest"),

" Stannis should come before Myrcella, but he's attainted, so there you go."

Only if you accept that all Robert's children are really Jaime's, otherwise all children are ahead of Stannis since he only inherits if Robert has no living issue.

[Blazfemur]

Well that all depends, does Melisandre have a girl, or a boy?