Wouter Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 It won't matter. "Power lies when men think it does" clearly applies to the question of Aegon and legitimacy. It is no coincidence that this was a Varys line. But it will matter this time, because of Dany's visit to the house of the undying. The "slayer of lies" vision included the mummer's dragon, being cheered by crowds. There are also indications towards a Dany-Aegon conflict, which would most likely come about because the former doubts the credentials of the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowford Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 He will be a Blackfyre descendant, but few people will ever find out. Thereby, in the end, both sides won't get what they were fighting for, showing how pointless of a conflict it was. The Targaryens nominally hold the throne, but it's a Blackfyre scion, and the Blackfyres actually hold the throne, but they can never tell anyone (and probably won't even know themselves). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I think he's fake as the day is long, but I agree that people in-story will believe what they want to believe and what benefits them. And it wouldn't surprise me if we never find out for sure if he's really Aegon. The "slayer of lies" vision included the mummer's dragon, being cheered by crowds. The cheering crowds part makes me think that Aegon will end up being popular with the common people. Which is pretty much how Varys sells him. I also think he'll be the one to ally with the Faith and tap into its populism. So it would end up being a tainted victory for Dany if she wins: She has her victory, but people actually liked the guy she killed and are maybe mad at her for killing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarl the climber Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Totally agree, it does not matter. Him not being a POV and him being introduced so late kind of hints that he won't be alive for very long. That's sort of where I am with it, first we have to see that the guy doesn't pull a Renly before we get too excited about his prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Fauntleroy Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 That's sort of where I am with it, first we have to see that the guy doesn't pull a Renly before we get too excited about his prospects. Are you referring to Aegon's potential homosexuality or his death? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser RoddyRuinuous Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 To answer the OP: I don't think it really matters, no. He's going to die. The question is, how? Will it be badass, hilarious, or pathetic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleeve of Wizard Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I don't think it matters either, especially after you're eaten by a dragon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 That's sort of where I am with it, first we have to see that the guy doesn't pull a Renly before we get too excited about his prospects.Non that was Loras... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the storm king returns Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I feel that (F)Aegon will receive dragonstone and a full pardon from Jon Snow, which starts a new house Blackfyre of Dragon stone loyal supporters of his cousins the Targaryans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Reckoner Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Jon's no king. How does he grant a pardon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Does it really matter if he's fake or real? If he's got an army and enough believers, I don't really see how it does. I don't expect him to ever "win" although he may briefly take Kings Landing.My question is, do you think the reader will ever get a confirmation as to whether he is real or fake? Of will we be given a few more hints and then left to our theories?no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilli Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Personally I believe he is legitI think he will take Kings Landing, but the Blackfyre link will haunt his reign until Dany arrives, then the Dragons will prove if he is legit or not.How would the dragons prove he's real or not? Blackfyres are also dragons, they have Targaryen ancesters and they were legitimised. I think real or not, Dany and Aegon will both have a dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balerion's Whiskers Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 How would the dragons prove he's real or not? Blackfyres are also dragons, they have Targaryen ancesters and they were legitimised. I think real or not, Dany and Aegon will both have a dragon. I agree with this. If Brown Ben Plumm has enough Targ blood for the dragons to like him, fAegon has enough too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisdaw Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 It will matter to Dany, it will matter to JC and it could, but probably won't matter to Jaime, Barristan and "Lemore". To everyone else in universe no. Power resides where people believe, and Dany believes power resides in bloodlines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratbane Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 If Aegon is a total imposter, just some child that was taken off the street and raised for Varys and Illyrio's purposes, it could make a very big difference. What if Dany dies and the dragons are needed to fight the Others? If he doesn't have the proper blood he won't be able to control them. And that may be coming down the line. And at that point it may be Jon Snow who must step up as a true Targ and take control of the dragons to save the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 If Aegon is a total imposter, just some child that was taken off the street and raised for Varys and Illyrio's purposes, it could make a very big difference. What if Dany dies and the dragons are needed to fight the Others? If he doesn't have the proper blood he won't be able to control them. And that may be coming down the line. And at that point it may be Jon Snow who must step up as a true Targ and take control of the dragons to save the day. So you're saying Illyrio knew Daenerys was gonna hatch the eggs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barristan-b Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Within the ASOIAF world, I just don't see a scenario in which it could be found out unless Varys says something. The reader could find out but maybe its only within the knowledge of 2-3 actual characters. I think a cool way for his storyline to go would be if Dany somehow gets to him in KL after he takes the throne. She's cool with him being who he says he is but when he tries to interact with a dragon, he gets torched. Reflecting on it, Varys and Illryio could have a talk together that reveals it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddard Scissorhands Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I like to believe he is real, but people in the book will think he's fake. The opposite of what people expect to happen, basically.I don't think that will happen, but that would certainly be something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damp Hair - The Prophet Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I'll allow that he could be real, but I think he's fake. Barely a Blackfyre at best. I think he will die ignominiously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alia of the knife Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Not really thinking the guy is necessarily all that nice, what with his "some pisswater boy" statement.The seemingly disregard for the boy who died in his place makes me this Varys perfect plan for the perfect prince has already failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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