Ser Cold Fingers Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 They will pay... :( :grouphug: There will always be JonCon in our hearts. And this is sort of how I picture him...not sure why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzanna Stormborn Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/109935-book-spoilers-rlj-and-other-theories-on-hbo-v2/page-15 lets discuss here Yeah that was awesome, but the Jon thing seemed like something more relevant to this thread. It really does seem like they may have cut Aegon... Edit: The more I think about it I'm sure they're just giving Aegon the Reed treatment by delaying his appearance a season. My previous conclusion was based on the idea that Varys was being totally genuine when talking to Tyrion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Yeah that was awesome, but the Jon thing seemed like something more relevant to this thread. It really does seem like they may have cut Aegon... Edit: The more I think about it I'm sure they're just giving Aegon the Reed treatment by delaying his appearance a season. My previous conclusion was based on the idea that Varys was being totally genuine when talking to Tyrion... I think what really got me was the long shot of Jon with the music in the background saying "We can be heroes". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I think what really got me was the long shot of Jon with the music in the background saying "We can be heroes". *cuts Janos' head* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzanna Stormborn Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I think what really got me was the long shot of Jon with the music in the background saying "We can be heroes". heart heart heart. no better song for Jon Snow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 *cuts Janos' head*That will only help cement him as a hero, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 heart heart heart. no better song for Jon SnowAgreed :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ygrain Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 They will pay... :( Fa dom always pay their debts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Next time I read Jon's final chapter in Dance, I'll play Heroes as bg music :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Fa dom always pay their debts. Yeah... I'll... I'll give them bad reviews!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 That will only help cement him as a hero, imo. Sansa stared hard at his ugly face, remembering how he had thrown down her father for Ser Ilyn to behead, wishing she could hurt him, wishing that some hero would throw him down and cut off his head. But a voice inside her whispered, There are no heroes Sansa agrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzanna Stormborn Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Next time I read Jon's final chapter in Dance, I'll play Heroes as bg music :lol: good call. maybe Ill read some on my phone right now with David Bowie on headphones. Squeal!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I think what really got me was the long shot of Jon with the music in the background saying "We can be heroes". ... "just for one day" ... *cuts Janos' head* to the music of Bowy the Bard. Next time I read Jon's final chapter in Dance, I'll play Heroes as bg music :lol: Yay! good call. maybe Ill read some on my phone right now with David Bowie on headphones. Squeal!!!! Girls got culture ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I, I will be king *Jon walks out to the courtyard* And you, you will be queen *Dany flies away with Drogon* Though nothing will drive them awayWe can beat them, just for one day *Stab* We can be Heroes, just for one day *Stab. Falls on the ground. Music fades.* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzanna Stormborn Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Girls got culture ;) :) Thanx doll! Bowie makes any scene from any movie or show better, It would be impossible to get enough. IMO it made the trailer go from Evan Williams to Johnnie Walker Blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnmaskedLurker Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Oh really? Care to provide this overwhelming list of clues? I am going to give a quick list of information that suggests that Jon is critical to the endgame. I am sure there are more I am not thinking of off the top of my head. The OP to this thread lays out why most people think Jon is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna. We know that there is a three-headed dragon prophesy, and part of the prophesy is that the Prince that was Promised has a song--A Song of Ice and Fire. As the son of R&L, Jon is a Son(g) of Ice (Lyanna) and Fire (Rhaegar), personified. I think the series makes clear that TPTWP is critical to winning the Battle for the Dawn 2.0. So if Jon is TPTWP, he is part of the endgame, and his parentage makes it quite likely he is TPTWP (or at a minimum, one of the three heads of the dragon). Also, one of the biggest stated mysteries in the book is who is Jon's mother? What is the point of the mystery if the answer is only disclosed after Jon is dead? And GRRM has stated that Jon will find out his parentage. Dead people cannot find out anything. Others in this thread have pointed out that if you read the language of the text closely, the "death" of Jon is not written like the other parts of the story in which a real death occurred. I cannot remember all the details, but basically, we never really see him die, and he appears to be watching the action at the end (possibly from within Ghost's body). Without Jon is the North, who is left as a major character in the North? Jon really is the focus of the action in the North. The Others are coming from the other side of the Wall. If Jon is really dead, how can this action really carry forward? Again, I am sure that is more evidence. But Jon is one of the big three characters--and arguably the biggest character in the book. He makes it to the end (or at least to very near the end). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markg171 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 I am going to give a quick list of information that suggests that Jon is critical to the endgame. I am sure there are more I am not thinking of off the top of my head. The OP to this thread lays out why most people think Jon is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna. We know that there is a three-headed dragon prophesy, and part of the prophesy is that the Prince that was Promised has a song--A Song of Ice and Fire. As the son of R&L, Jon is a Son(g) of Ice (Lyanna) and Fire (Rhaegar), personified. I think the series makes clear that TPTWP is critical to winning the Battle for the Dawn 2.0. So if Jon is TPTWP, he is part of the endgame, and his parentage makes it quite likely he is TPTWP (or at a minimum, one of the three heads of the dragon). Part of the prophecy is not that they have a song. Rhaegar simply said Aegon has a song called the song of ice and fire. Seeing as Aegon, who has no ice in him whatsoever was capable of being part of the song of ice and fire, I have no idea how people continuously come to the idea that it has anything to do with your parentage. It clearly has nothing to do with it according to Rhaegar, it's simply a description of what you will do in life. Also, one of the biggest stated mysteries in the book is who is Jon's mother? What is the point of the mystery if the answer is only disclosed after Jon is dead? And GRRM has stated that Jon will find out his parentage. Dead people cannot find out anything. That is not one of the biggest mysteries. No one in the story gives a shit who his mother is. It's simply fans who care. To the books it's meant absolutely nothing. Others in this thread have pointed out that if you read the language of the text closely, the "death" of Jon is not written like the other parts of the story in which a real death occurred. I cannot remember all the details, but basically, we never really see him die, and he appears to be watching the action at the end (possibly from within Ghost's body). Actually if you read it very closely, it's clear that he did die. When wargs die, they feel cold and then begin their next life according to Varamyr's prologue. Jon's last sensation is cold. So Jon died, and is now in Ghost. Without Jon is the North, who is left as a major character in the North? Jon really is the focus of the action in the North. The Others are coming from the other side of the Wall. If Jon is really dead, how can this action really carry forward? Hmmm Stannis, Mel, Bran, Davos, Rickon, Theon, Asha, etc? There's plenty of characters in the north. Again, I am sure that is more evidence. But Jon is one of the big three characters--and arguably the biggest character in the book. He makes it to the end (or at least to very near the end). Many would say that lasting 5/7 books, or 71% of the story, is making it very far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Guess we'll just have to content ourselves with this: https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/14381_10152715935032734_1818270197212945675_n.jpg?oh=fc59c617f3c8543c4dfe3bbb7de2de20&oe=5554AA75 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearQueen87 Posted January 31, 2015 Author Share Posted January 31, 2015 Guess we'll just have to content ourselves with this:https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/14381_10152715935032734_1818270197212945675_n.jpg?oh=fc59c617f3c8543c4dfe3bbb7de2de20&oe=5554AA75 Oooooh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markg171 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Guess we'll just have to content ourselves with this:https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/14381_10152715935032734_1818270197212945675_n.jpg?oh=fc59c617f3c8543c4dfe3bbb7de2de20&oe=5554AA75 Is that supposed to be the pink letter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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