The Rat Kook Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 This makes Olly sympathetic but what is even worse, his village was attacked by the Thens AND Tormond's people which included YGritte. Good point, I never even considered that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veltigar Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Those who are paying attention would know what's coming up. It doesn't really require real investigative skill to figure it out. Most viewers would know something bad is going to happen. It won't be "I can't believe Olly just stabbed Jon". It would be more like "I knew Olly was going to do something like that." The show really is hilariously unsubtle about it. I wish they would have cast a real actor to bring some nuance to that portrayal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 The show tends to be very blatant with it's hints and subsequent reveals. Everybody and their dog knows a WW will be seen and interacted with (probably killed) in this episode. Sam giving Jon those obsidian daggers and saying "I hope you dont have to use these" means, he will certainly use those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmug Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Some of these things are just inexplicably obvious sometimes. I mean every time the camera is on Olly, he has the look as if "I'm going to shank you Jon Snow!" And I agree Sam giving Jon those daggers was pretty much telling us there will be a White Walker coming soon and yes he will have to use them. The only excitement for some of us viewers is just basically HOW these things will develop and not any matter of IF these things will happen. When I watched Vikings this year and past years, god damn that was some spectacular setup leading to the season's finale - each season. Great writers on that show! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evetssteve10 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Some of these things are just inexplicably obvious sometimes. I mean every time the camera is on Olly, he has the look as if "I'm going to shank you Jon Snow!" And I agree Sam giving Jon those daggers was pretty much telling us there will be a White Walker coming soon and yes he will have to use them. The only excitement for some of us viewers is just basically HOW these things will develop and not any matter of IF these things will happen. When I watched Vikings this year and past years, god damn that was some spectacular setup leading to the season's finale - each season. Great writers on that show! Please tell me u don't think Vikings is a better show overall than GOT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjaario Starkharis Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Please tell me u don't think Vikings is a better show overall than GOT? Yeah, this last season was a big letdown. The siege of Paris was great, but that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpus Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I think the reason there wont be a 1000th lord commander is without jon how does the nights watch control the wildlings theres thousnds of them. Jon was the only hope the watch had at making it through the long night. I think the reason there won't be many more Lord Commanders is that the wall is coming down and everything is hitting the fan. There won't be a Night's Watch after what's to come. And if Jon is resurrected as most of us believe he will be (or survives in any form - warg, whatever), then he will be released from his vows to the Watch already, freeing him for his greater purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grufolo Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Oh come on, only book readers know what is coming. The non book readers have no reason to suspect Olly would stab Jon, there's nothing "obvious" about the stabbing.Absolutely, book readers forget this all the time, but everyone will be on the same level very soon so we won't see this self assurance anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWhiteRabbit Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I'm so hoping that they go for horror over action in this episode. Just imagine some heated negotiations/arguments going on between the Nights Watch and the wildlings when suddenly the fire dims, the mists descend, and things get awfully cold... "Dead things in the water", just a couple of wights crawling from the sea... A glimpse of the Nights King in the distance... I just feel that everything to do with Hardhome in the books (Cotter Pyke's letter, the stories of the ghouls that haunted it, etc.) was really f**king chilling, and I feel the show could miss out if it just goes for all out BATTLE, WHITE WALKERS, WILDLINGS, BACKSTABBINGS, CHAOS route instead of white walkers slowly and silently advancing on wildings and nights watchmen alike, with people slowly disappearing and the temperature slowly dropping.I'm so with you on this one. We need more horror and less action. I was thoroughly disappointed with Season 3 when we didn't get the Walkers in hot pursuit of the Nights Watch. It would have been so spooky to have the Walkers pursuing them in the night through a forest. Fortunately, I think we'll be in for a treat tonight. The Nights King scene from last season was eerily creepy and Kit Harrington has described this season as a horror show. Can't wait!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan_Snow Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Please tell me u don't think Vikings is a better show overall than GOT?The horrible battle scenes in season 1 and 2 made Vikings unwatchable to me. It was just stupid how horribly one sided they were. They made it look like a group of 20 Vikings could conquer all of Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterRaven Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Oh come on, only book readers know what is coming. The non book readers have no reason to suspect Olly would stab Jon, there's nothing "obvious" about the stabbing. No the stabbing isn't obvious, but the constant shots of Olly make it obvious that he will do something. And you also know that it's probably not something good given the fact that they keep showing him becoming more distant from Jon because of the wildlings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fury Burns Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 The horrible battle scenes in season 1 and 2 made Vikings unwatchable to me. It was just stupid how horribly one sided they were. They made it look like a group of 20 Vikings could conquer all of Britain. I stopped watching it for a while precisely because of that. When they met those knights on the beach and utterly destroyed them with no casualties to their own force it kinda pissed me off and it felt unrealistic. Although, if you've seen some of the newer episodes, the French absolutely dominate Ragnar and his vikings, and before that King Ecbert kicks their ass in Wessex multiple times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 No the stabbing isn't obvious, but the constant shots of Olly make it obvious that he will do something. And you also know that it's probably not something good given the fact that they keep showing him becoming more distant from Jon because of the wildlings. Yup. It's gotten to the point that unless he's a red herring, I'll be thoroughly unconvinced that these showrunners know how to foreshadow or do any subtle storytelling techniques anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo Kressh Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 If this is them going 'farther north than they've ever gone', then yes, seeing a White Walker should be a given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnar of Skagos Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 "There are dead things...dead faces in the water!" Dont look at the lights... MISTER FRODO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWhiteRabbit Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Not one of the 20 unsullied I know have suspected Jon will be betrayed by ANYONE. I guess it's D&D's fault we read the books and know exactly what's coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHammeredDog Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Well... I think that's a yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWhiteRabbit Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Bad freaking ass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mafro987daboss Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Is it me or was that shot of the four of them on the cliff-top brilliant cinematography?! It looked so ominous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWhiteRabbit Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Is it me or was that shot of the four of them on the cliff-top brilliant cinematography?! It looked so ominous. It was beautiful. I thought I was watching a movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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