Bloodraven's Bastard Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 :agree: Even if he takes the Targaryen name, Jon will always be a Northerner to his core. The original outline did say that Jon and Arya would be tormented by their feelings. It sounds really angsty and dramatic. I liked the lighter hearted yet ultimately doomed romance of Jon and Ygritte, and the childish crush/friendship between Arya and Gendry. Both Jon/Ygritte and Arya/Gendry provided some levity in books that were pretty dark and gritty otherwise. I cried when Ygritte died, and knew Arya and Gendry's friendship was doomed because of their class differences. Sansa I think has a different fate. Totally convinced by the number of scenes she had with Sandor the show was careful to include. In a series that's already hacked enough of the books up, to include such means they will likely play some role later. It's all laid out right there. Agreed completely. Except for crying when Ygritte died. I had a pretty good idea that she was doomed. And I'm a dude... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winds of Winter blow cold Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Lot of stuff is missing. Anybody remember what they posted & want to repost it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newstar Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Lot of stuff is missing. Anybody remember what they posted & want to repost it?With tongue planted firmly in cheek, here's the thread summed up:Jon and Sansa Will Never Happen:It would be gross and incestuousDid I mention it would be gross and incestuous?Jon/ValJon/AryaJon/DanySanSanJon and/or Sansa will dieJon hates useless girly chicks like Sansa, loves fierce action chicks like Val and YgritteJon doesn't like SansaJon and/or Sansa deserve betterSophie Turner is taller than Kit Harington. They would have NEVER cast a shorter dude if they intended Sansa and Jon to get together.Jon and Sansa Will Totally Happen:Outline Starkcest pairing (Jon/Stark girl) shows that GRRM didn't care about uncomfortable incest pairingsJon and Sansa will be sharing scenes in Season 6It would be less offputting than Jon/Arya or Jon/DanyStarkcest precedent in Stark family treeTargaryens are into their relativesJon loves redheadsJon embodies everything Sansa ever wanted in a guyMost likely endgame king/queen comboThat's the thread, LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woman of War Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 You forgot the most valid argument: Jon and Sansa can never happen because Sophie Turner is one head taller than Kit Harington. There were people who actually made that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grail King Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 You forgot the most valid argument: Jon and Sansa can never happen because Sophie Turner is one head taller than Kit Harington. There were people who actually made that point. Really?I must have missed that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newstar Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 You forgot the most valid argument: Jon and Sansa can never happen because Sophie Turner is one head taller than Kit Harington. There were people who actually made that point. LOL, right you are! Fixed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woman of War Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 There were people who insisted the two actors would not look good together as pairing because of the "height problem" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channel4s-JonSnow Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 With tongue planted firmly in cheek, here's the thread summed up:Jon and Sansa Will Never Happen:It would be gross and incestuousDid I mention it would be gross and incestuous?Jon/ValJon/AryaJon/DanySanSanJon and/or Sansa will dieJon hates useless girly chicks like Sansa, loves fierce action chicks like Val and YgritteJon doesn't like SansaJon and/or Sansa deserve betterSophie Turner is taller than Kit Harington. They would have NEVER cast a shorter dude if they intended Sansa and Jon to get together.Jon and Sansa Will Totally Happen:Outline Starkcest pairing (Jon/Stark girl) shows that GRRM didn't care about uncomfortable incest pairingsJon and Sansa will be sharing scenes in Season 6It would be less offputting than Jon/Arya or Jon/DanyStarkcest precedent in Stark family treeTargaryens are into their relativesJon loves redheadsJon embodies everything Sansa ever wanted in a guyMost likely endgame king/queen comboThat's the thread, LOL. You missed 'It would be stooopid' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AryaNymeriaVisenya Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 With tongue planted firmly in cheek, here's the thread summed up:Jon and Sansa Will Never Happen:It would be gross and incestuousDid I mention it would be gross and incestuous?Jon/ValJon/AryaJon/DanySanSanJon and/or Sansa will dieJon hates useless girly chicks like Sansa, loves fierce action chicks like Val and YgritteJon doesn't like SansaJon and/or Sansa deserve betterSophie Turner is taller than Kit Harington. They would have NEVER cast a shorter dude if they intended Sansa and Jon to get together.Jon and Sansa Will Totally Happen:Outline Starkcest pairing (Jon/Stark girl) shows that GRRM didn't care about uncomfortable incest pairingsJon and Sansa will be sharing scenes in Season 6It would be less offputting than Jon/Arya or Jon/DanyStarkcest precedent in Stark family treeTargaryens are into their relativesJon loves redheadsJon embodies everything Sansa ever wanted in a guyMost likely endgame king/queen comboThat's the thread, LOL. The show will end like the books and Jon/Sansa is just not going that way there at all so far and we are 5 out of 7 in.And book Jon isn't in to redheads! Kit has made that up for show!Jon, he's into girls that remind him of his sister. Dirty perverted Targ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winds of Winter blow cold Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 With tongue planted firmly in cheek, here's the thread summed up:Jon and Sansa Will Never Happen:It would be gross and incestuousDid I mention it would be gross and incestuous?Jon/ValJon/AryaJon/DanySanSanJon and/or Sansa will dieJon hates useless girly chicks like Sansa, loves fierce action chicks like Val and YgritteJon doesn't like SansaJon and/or Sansa deserve betterSophie Turner is taller than Kit Harington. They would have NEVER cast a shorter dude if they intended Sansa and Jon to get together.Jon and Sansa Will Totally Happen:Outline Starkcest pairing (Jon/Stark girl) shows that GRRM didn't care about uncomfortable incest pairingsJon and Sansa will be sharing scenes in Season 6It would be less offputting than Jon/Arya or Jon/DanyStarkcest precedent in Stark family treeTargaryens are into their relativesJon loves redheadsJon embodies everything Sansa ever wanted in a guyMost likely endgame king/queen comboThat's the thread, LOL. The outline is better than the thread! Let's see if I can add to it...Never happen: 12. It would ruin Kit & Sophie's (or Maisie's) careers!13. No one whats to see Sophie (or Maisie) naked because they are like, still kids in our eyes!Totally happen:9. D& D are pervs who want to get Sophie (&/or Maisie) naked as soon as possible.10. It would make Sophie (or Maisie) & Kit's careers!11. Kit/Jon & Sophie/Sansa would be totally hot!* [*Can substitute Maisie/Arya, Emilia/Dany (I'm on board for that one), Mel/Carice (I can live with it), Natalie/Marg, or Emanuelle/"Missy" (spell check didn't help me at all here)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKitttenGuard Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 The outline is better than the thread! Let's see if I can add to it...Never happen: 12. It would ruin Kit & Sophie's (or Maisie's) careers!13. No one whats to see Sophie (or Maisie) naked because they are like, still kids in our eyes!Totally happen:9. D& D are pervs who want to get Sophie (&/or Maisie) naked as soon as possible.10. It would make Sophie (or Maisie) & Kit's careers!11. Kit/Jon & Sophie/Sansa would be totally hot!* [*Can substitute Maisie/Arya, Emilia/Dany (I'm on board for that one), Mel/Carice (I can live with it), Natalie/Marg, or Emanuelle/"Missy" (spell check didn't help me at all here)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woman of War Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 The idea that Williams' or Turner's career would be ruined if they have a fictional relationship with Jon is naive and stupid. If anything it would add extra spice. And Headey's career is not ruined either for sure.We have known them as kids. But they are no kids anymore and people grow up and have sex, in fiction and in real life only unsupportive parents would deny that. Apart from that no "nudity" would be required to show a love affair or a political marriage here.We need not be protective of the actresses's career and reputation. The actresses can make their own decisions about agreeing to nude scenes. And they have their agents and their own parents for that who are far more competent than we fans to judge the implications on their professional career.Winds of Winter blow cold I still am of the old fashioned idea that D&D are pervsis a highly immature, disgusting and uncivilized way to attack people and should have no room in a debate. You disqualify yourself with anything like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alavia Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winds of Winter blow cold Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 The idea that Williams' or Turner's career would be ruined if they have a fictional relationship with Jon is naive and stupid. If anything it would add extra spice. And Headey's career is not ruined either for sure.We have known them as kids. But they are no kids anymore and people grow up and have sex, in fiction and in real life only unsupportive parents would deny that. Apart from that no "nudity" would be required to show a love affair or a political marriage here.We need not be protective of the actresses's career and reputation. The actresses can make their own decisions about agreeing to nude scenes. And they have their agents and their own parents for that who are far more competent than we fans to judge the implications on their professional career.Winds of Winter blow cold I still am of the old fashioned idea that is a highly immature, disgusting and uncivilized way to attack people and should have no room in a debate. You disqualify yourself with anything like that.It was suppose to be a humorous take on some people's posts, not an actual attack on D&D. I'm sorry you didn't understand that. Chill don't take life so seriously! & I still think most people would be uncomfortable with a graphic sex scene with either of the girls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alavia Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 It was suppose to be a humorous take on some people's posts, not an actual attack on D&D. I'm sorry you didn't understand that. Chill don't take life so seriously! & I still think most people would be uncomfortable with a graphic sex scene with either of the girls. So let them be uncomfortable, it doesn't really influence what D&D or Mophie will do.Remember E.T.? ---> Drew Barrymore? And the Earth still makes its rounds around the sun.Oh, and Masie had her first sex scene on screen recently. She even commented on that in an interview. Sophie even some more time ago already. It's done. They are spoiled. Come on, they wouldn't make a porn movie out of it. (They switched the camera on Theon during the rape scene (Sophie later joked that she didn't know why, because she was giving a great performance ).)But now a question to y'all here: Do you think it is rather sure that both girls (Sansa and Maisie) will have a kind of serious relationship before the ultimate end of our beloved SOIAF? I can't really imagine it otherwise, at least in Sansa's case. But is it anyhow likely for Arya to end her storyline without any romantic encounter? Nah.And I still wonder if there is someone among all those great people out here on the forum who wouldn't mind Sandor-Sansa, Jon-Arya...Jaimie-Brienne...Jorah-Dany. I mean, the books already say a lot, but I am fully aware that there are many who state some of these relationships as disgusting and such. I love those pairings with all my heart by myself and just cannot force anything like disgust in the my reception of them. Hm. Those bonds are just simply beautiful to me. And of course it does not mean that I see them all living happily until the end of times. Nope, that is certainly not the case and surely won't be in the endgame. Bittersweet GRRM said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woman of War Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 It was suppose to be a humorous take on some people's posts, not an actual attack on D&D. I'm sorry you didn't understand that. Chill don't take life so seriously! & I still think most people would be uncomfortable with a graphic sex scene with either of the girls. I am sorry if you did not intend to give the impression I got, then I took your joke for the real thing some are seriously writing here.But I am fed up with the tune set by haters in these forums - more than in other forums unfortunately - that the showmakers and/or Martin would be sexual perverts who salivate to undress female characters and who promote rape fantasies. They are first of all professional artists who do their job and who can be criticized but should not be insulted.Apart from that: Freedom of art means the freedom to write or to paint things many do not agree with, if political correctness turns into censorship it gets dangerous easily.In the books: I for example disliked thirteen year old Dany getting turned on by her forced husband, her rapist as being hard to believe But Martin wrote it, he is entitled to his story and he is entitled to try to convince me. He did not quite manage but I was willing to suspend my disbelief because the books are great and I have trust into the overall story. But the show was more believable here.Despite some sore spots I have trust into the overall plot of he show as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winds of Winter blow cold Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 I am sorry if you did not intend to give the impression I got, then I took your joke for the real thing some are seriously writing here.But I am fed up with the tune set by haters in these forums - more than in other forums unfortunately - that the showmakers and/or Martin would be sexual perverts who salivate to undress female characters and who promote rape fantasies. They are first of all professional artists who do their job and who can be criticized but should not be insulted.Apart from that: Freedom of art means the freedom to write or to paint things many do not agree with, if political correctness turns into censorship it gets dangerous easily.In the books: I for example disliked thirteen year old Dany getting turned on by her forced husband, her rapist as being hard to believe But Martin wrote it, he is entitled to his story and he is entitled to try to convince me. He did not quite manage but I was willing to suspend my disbelief because the books are great and I have trust into the overall story. But the show was more believable here.Despite some sore spots I have trust into the overall plot of he show as well Heard of Stockholm Syndrome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woman of War Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Heard of Stockholm Syndrome?who hasn't. The term gets thrown around.Only applying it on a sexually abused child who miraculously got aroused by her abuser seems quite cheap. But let's leave it: Martin managed to convince you while he did not manage to convince me. And yet I can see the function of this plot turn for the overall story. Though Dany later taking the initiative sexually, that is more plausible.It's just like some posters seeing twelve year old Sansa being turned on by her attacker Sandor. Except that Martin never wrote Sansa that way and the alleged sexual attraction is very unilateral. Or Sansa developing Stockholm syndrome with Baelish..........more plausible but still in the open.I'd rather be careful with half digested terms like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woman of War Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Totally getting off topic. But the whole day is off topic, after Paris. No mood for forum fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grail King Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Totally getting off topic. But the whole day is off topic, after Paris. No mood for forum fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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