Stubby Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 It is worse than that. Except for the rare breed of atheist that denies the existence of a God, but nevertheless believes that human beings have a soul (or in mind-body dualism or something equivalent), morality is meaningless. Without a soul, human beings are merely peculiar arrangements of matter and therefore must play by the same rules as all matter in the universe. At the scale relevant to us, nature is mostly deterministic, but even if there is some randomness involved (e.g. if the brain somehow relies on quantum phenomena), to describe human actions as moral or immoral makes no sense. It is no more or less moral for a particular human being to act in a particular way than it is for the moon to proceed in its orbit around Earth or for a cosmic muon to randomly interact with the RAM of your computing device and cause a bit to flip.Of course, most atheists ignore this and proceed to craft moral and ethical systems as if the illusion of independence is real.Presumably, God is much smarter than we are and thus knows what is best. Our main problem is that we do not understand the consequences of our actions and what we want is often not in tune with how the universe works. For example, consider adversity. The word itself is strictly negative and most moral systems will strive to minimize it for most people, but it is also a source of strength and of change. To use an extreme example, WWII was terrible and I don't know of a single moral system that would endorse anything of the sort... but look at how much new technology was developed in a few years. Or, for the other side of the coin, the current generation of American college students was brought up in one of the safest and most considerate society in history... and the result is that a substantial fraction of them now wants "safe spaces" from ideas (i.e. the system is set up such that it eventually destroys itself).This atheist takes the view that morals and ethics evolve.At present, we have a functioning society because we have applied the collective wisdom of thousands of generations of humans. We have combined that into a system of laws, enforced by the rules of law. We have seen what works and what doesn't. We have come to these conclusions through learning by experience, over tens of thousands of years.I am getting handily sick and tired of religious believers telling me that I have no morals because I don't believe in god. Personally I am happy that I am not associated with the morals of an entity that allegedly committed all the atrocities ascribed to it in the bible.Further, I've rephrased the bolded assertion:Of course, most atheists all believers ignore this and proceed to craft moral and ethical systems as if based on the illusion of independence is real that their brand of belief is real and the only moral way to act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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