season 5 deviations... don't make sense.

[Channel4s-JonSnow]

5 minutes ago, WolfQueenArya said:

And that's where the problem lies with cutting out all the Jon moments of thinking of Arya and vice verse with Arya thinking about Jon. Not having fake Arya and the pink letter and Jon's last line being 'stick them with the pointy end' cheapens their relationship to each other. Plus Jon and Sansa have never had a scene together on the show and IMO it's going to be a bit awkward  because I don't know how the show runners are going to make them act around each other... 

 

You could say its a problem, but its undoubtedly not a problem for the majority of viewers. The show is consistent with itself. If it doesn't want to make a big thing of Jon + Arya then its really not an issue. 

[A Ghost of Someone]

The showrunners have all but admitted they are doing their own thing and it is evident since the Red Wedding. So, going forward, while there are bound to be similarities, I do expect many deaths to come in opposite ways and to characters in particular that differ from the books. It is a different animal now.

[Alayne's Shadow.]

1 hour ago, Channel4s-JonSnow said:

You could say its a problem, but its undoubtedly not a problem for the majority of viewers. The show is consistent with itself. If it doesn't want to make a big thing of Jon + Arya then its really not an issue. 

Yeah, the show is consistent in the fact that no one cares about their siblings. That does make it lose one of the most interesting relationships in the books - Arya and Jon's connection. It's interesting that the show set up Sansa caring about Arya and vice-versa back in season 2-3, and then they never even thought about each other again.

[Channel4s-JonSnow]

13 minutes ago, Alayne's Shadow. said:

Yeah, the show is consistent in the fact that no one cares about their siblings. That does make it lose one of the most interesting relationships in the books - Arya and Jon's connection. It's interesting that the show set up Sansa caring about Arya and vice-versa back in season 2-3, and then they never even thought about each other again.

Again its worrying about stuff you didn't see, and which isn't the same as the books. 

[Alayne's Shadow.]

4 minutes ago, Channel4s-JonSnow said:

Again its worrying about stuff you didn't see, and which isn't the same as the books. 

I'm not denying it's different from the books. I'm just saying it's obviously a weakness. In-universe, Sansa knows that Arya is alive - Littlefinger told her back in 3x01, but then this fact has no follow-up. Arya says she needs to find her brother and mother, and then save her sister, but there's no reaction to it.

Then there's the fact that Arya went to the Eyrie on the show, Sandor announced who she was, and nobody bothered to tell LF or Sansa, and they never knew about it when they came down. Surely, since both know Arya's alive and that Lysa is her aunt, they'd be interested in such a tale. That's not a nitpick. That's a plot-hole. 

[A Ghost of Someone]

3 hours ago, Alayne's Shadow. said:

I'm not denying it's different from the books. I'm just saying it's obviously a weakness. In-universe, Sansa knows that Arya is alive - Littlefinger told her back in 3x01, but then this fact has no follow-up. Arya says she needs to find her brother and mother, and then save her sister, but there's no reaction to it.

Then there's the fact that Arya went to the Eyrie on the show, Sandor announced who she was, and nobody bothered to tell LF or Sansa, and they never knew about it when they came down. Surely, since both know Arya's alive and that Lysa is her aunt, they'd be interested in such a tale. That's not a nitpick. That's a plot-hole. 

One would think Littlefinger would have sent a company of knights after them, since they were on foot in order to obtain the other Stark girl.

[jbob]

It makes more sense than LF teaching the daughter of his enemy, who knows help kill her father, all the tricks and giving her power which she could easily use against him. He used her as pawn in the show.

[Rhollo]

5 hours ago, Channel4s-JonSnow said:

Again its worrying about stuff you didn't see, and which isn't the same as the books. 

The fact that we didn't see this stuff IS the worrying thing.

[Alayne's Shadow.]

1 hour ago, jbob said:

It makes more sense than LF teaching the daughter of his enemy, who knows help kill her father, all the tricks and giving her power which she could easily use against him. He used her as pawn in the show.

Well, apparently, it's the same in the show. Since Cogman said Sansa had a great teacher in LF and her journey will continue into her becoming a great player and claiming Winterfell. So, yeah, your point doesn't make any sense. 

[A Ghost of Someone]

1 hour ago, jbob said:

It makes more sense than LF teaching the daughter of his enemy, who knows help kill her father, all the tricks and giving her power which she could easily use against him. He used her as pawn in the show.

Sansa should know that but apparently she does not. Show Sansa is a very stupid person, naive would be putting it very nicely.

[A Ghost of Someone]

2 minutes ago, Alayne's Shadow. said:

Well, apparently, it's the same in the show. Since Cogman said Sansa had a great teacher in LF and her journey will continue into her becoming a great player and claiming Winterfell. So, yeah, your point doesn't make any sense. 

What Cogman says about what she did makes no sense. Marrying Ramsay and becoming his seed harvester does not claim you nothing other than being a willing blood traitor to the memory of you family and 8 thousand year old house. It takes her name and her virtue, dignity and reputation and destroys it forever in the eyes of the North and the Gods. It gives the Boltons EVERYTHING. The show runners and fanboys will never, ever, ever be able to explain why that "strategy" poured out by Littlefinger and lapped up by Sansa made or ever could have made any sense whatsoever.

[jbob]

2 hours ago, Alayne's Shadow. said:

Well, apparently, it's the same in the show. Since Cogman said Sansa had a great teacher in LF and her journey will continue into her becoming a great player and claiming Winterfell. So, yeah, your point doesn't make any sense. 

But LF show expects Sansa to die at some point. He's not putting in her a position to gain power.

[Alayne's Shadow.]

2 hours ago, A Ghost of Someone said:

What Cogman says about what she did makes no sense. Marrying Ramsay and becoming his seed harvester does not claim you nothing other than being a willing blood traitor to the memory of you family and 8 thousand year old house. It takes her name and her virtue, dignity and reputation and destroys it forever in the eyes of the North and the Gods. It gives the Boltons EVERYTHING. The show runners and fanboys will never, ever, ever be able to explain why that "strategy" poured out by Littlefinger and lapped up by Sansa made or ever could have made any sense whatsoever.

Agreed. This makes no sense - But then, if we're going by things that make sense...

[A Ghost of Someone]

1 minute ago, Alayne's Shadow. said:

Agreed. This makes no sense - But then, if we're going by things that make sense...

I know, the show is about the "wow", "omg", "sexual anxst", rather than a coherent plotines. Just because this is fantasy with dragons and magic, people need to still make decisions that can be rationalized. This was a tragic failure on their part. I do not know if this deviation will or even could be remedied.

[thehandwipes]

14 hours ago, A Ghost of Someone said:

What Cogman says about what she did makes no sense. Marrying Ramsay and becoming his seed harvester does not claim you nothing other than being a willing blood traitor to the memory of you family and 8 thousand year old house. It takes her name and her virtue, dignity and reputation and destroys it forever in the eyes of the North and the Gods. It gives the Boltons EVERYTHING. The show runners and fanboys will never, ever, ever be able to explain why that "strategy" poured out by Littlefinger and lapped up by Sansa made or ever could have made any sense whatsoever.

^Nail on the head.

[Le Cygne]

16 hours ago, Alayne's Shadow. said:

Well, apparently, it's the same in the show. Since Cogman said Sansa had a great teacher in LF and her journey will continue into her becoming a great player and claiming Winterfell. So, yeah, your point doesn't make any sense. 

They didn't use the word great, but a major player in the story and a devious teacher. He's using her, and her name, to get what he wants, they said he gave her to the Boltons because he saw a chance to grab power for himself.

16 hours ago, A Ghost of Someone said:

What Cogman says about what she did makes no sense. Marrying Ramsay and becoming his seed harvester does not claim you nothing other than being a willing blood traitor to the memory of you family and 8 thousand year old house. It takes her name and her virtue, dignity and reputation and destroys it forever in the eyes of the North and the Gods. It gives the Boltons EVERYTHING. The show runners and fanboys will never, ever, ever be able to explain why that "strategy" poured out by Littlefinger and lapped up by Sansa made or ever could have made any sense whatsoever.

Yep that sums it up. She propped up a family killer, then propped up other family killers, she is a traitor, on a grand scale. She can never erase the bold, and that's what she did. Realistically, one way or another, she'd be dead.

[A Ghost of Someone]

9 hours ago, Le Cygne said:

They didn't use the word great, but a major player in the story and a devious teacher. He's using her, and her name, to get what he wants, they said he gave her to the Boltons because he saw a chance to grab power for himself.

Yep that sums it up. She propped up a family killer, then propped up other family killers, she is a traitor, on a grand scale. She can never erase the bold, and that's what she did. Realistically, one way or another, she'd be dead.

It was because of this, I say they killed Sansa and created what we know to be Fansa, Sansa Bolton, Sansa Starkbane, ASNAS KRATS, and the list goes on. I still cannot believe these creepy show runners destroyed her just to get her raped by Ramsay. Bad move, sick move. .....

[Stannis is the man....nis]

Here's where s5 changes piss me off ok so imagine D&D and Cogman are going over s5 plot:

David: Ok we want this done in about 7-8 seasons so we need to only include big events from the books

DB: Do we do Aegon he seems to be the guy to displace the Lannisters also he explains what Varys is up too?

David: Nah that would take too long lets just hav Varys be a Dany agent and just say "he did what he had to in order to survive" to explain why he tried to kill her

DB:Ok, do we keep Wyman, Dustin, the hooded man from the WF plot?

David: Nah too long we might need to cut WF all together

Bryan: Wait! We can't! You forgot the big plot point to WF

DB/David: What's that?

Bryan: Ramsay raping his wife!

DB/David: OMG you're right! We totally forgot about that!

All three: Well we have to do WF now

[A Ghost of Someone]

17 minutes ago, Stannis is the man....nis said:

Here's where s5 changes piss me off ok so imagine D&D and Cogman are going over s5 plot:

David: Ok we want this done in about 7-8 seasons so we need to only include big events from the books

DB: Do we do Aegon he seems to be the guy to displace the Lannisters also he explains what Varys is up too?

David: Nah that would take too long lets just hav Varys be a Dany agent and just say "he did what he had to in order to survive" to explain why he tried to kill her

DB:Ok, do we keep Wyman, Dustin, the hooded man from the WF plot?

David: Nah too long we might need to cut WF all together

Bryan: Wait! We can't! You forgot the big plot point to WF

DB/David: What's that?

Bryan: Ramsay raping his wife!

DB/David: OMG you're right! We totally forgot about that!

All three: Well we have to do WF now

And I hope that sick, perverted and disgusting decision haunts all three of them for the rest of their careers.

[The Fattest Leech]

On 3/6/2016 at 8:32 PM, Dragon in the North said:

You've read the books, so let me ask you, did the Northerners seem happy to you? I read the situation quite differently.

Yes, but in not in the way we may initially think of it. It's all part of the mummer's farce... and it's almost over.

Just about all of the northerners knew Jeyne was a fake. Jamie and Cersei even knew. They were all there collecting their information and waiting for the right moment. Mance is unknowingly helping them along with that, unbeknownst to them, who in turn would be helping Jon Snow in some way and then helping the Umbers in someway, and so on and so forth because these characters and events are all interlocked. Lady Dustin tells Theon/Reek on the ride to Winterfell that of "the girl" [Jeyne] is to pass as the "Stark girl" then she better stop crying. They all knew even before getting to Winterfell.

The Boltons and the Starks have had bitter blood for centuries and are not nearly as clever as the show has made them to be. Well, mainly Ramsay.