Sullen Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Thank you! Basically she should trust no one. It's the lesson Ned never learned in GoT. Not no one.Marwyn is conspicuously absent from that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreyPiesForSkagos Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 idk. Quaithe isn't making a lot of sense here. List of people Dany shouldn't trust: Kraken (Victarion), Dark Flame (huh?), lion (Tyrion), Griffin (JonCon), the sun's son (Quentyn), the mummer's dragon (Aegon).Not trusting Victarion is a no brainer, but why not trust Quentyn? Maybe Quaithe is referring to Doran, who almost certainly has plots he would not confide to Quentyn. That expands the possibilities to people who are in Westeros, which would make sense, as she includes JonCon and Aegon in her list. In which case, the "lion" need not be Tyrion any more than "sun's son" has to be Quentyn.Anyhow, I think Tyrion is the lion, and not trusting him completely is a no brainer. Tyrion is unpredictable, unreliable. He's already hired a bunch of sellswords to work for him. Despite his hatred for his family, he still identifies as a Lannister. There's an excellent chance that he and Jaime will make peace. How long he would advise Dany in good faith is uncertain.How is not trusting Victarion a no brainer? I disagree. Victarion doesn't strike me as a liar or a traitor. Whatever he's going to do, he's most likely going to be pretty straightforward about it, isn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In A Coat of Gold Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Tyrion is a drunk and a kinslayer. I wouldn't trust him either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 How is not trusting Victarion a no brainer? I disagree. Victarion doesn't strike me as a liar or a traitor. Whatever he's going to do, he's most likely going to be pretty straightforward about it, isn't he?Victarion says he's going to make Dany a widow. Not a good start. And Vic also implies he's gonna marry Dany...whether she likes it or not. He's also literally attempting to take control of her dragons via a magic horn. And remember this is the guy who didn't even accept Asha as a low key Hand, so I don't think he'll settle for sitting pretty and being armcandy while Dany rules. He's not going to be the 2016 Bill to Dany's Hillary. He's going to be the 1998 Bill to Dany's Hillary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Like the others, the twisted little demon monkey just wants to use her for her power. Rember the Undying. For dragons are fire made flesh, and fire is power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreyPiesForSkagos Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Victarion says he's going to make Dany a widow. Not a good start. And Vic also implies he's gonna marry Dany...whether she likes it or not. He's also literally attempting to take control of her dragons via a magic horn. And remember this is the guy who didn't even accept Asha as a low key Hand, so I don't think he'll settle for sitting pretty and being armcandy while Dany rules. He's not going to be the 2016 Bill to Dany's Hillary. He's going to be the 1998 Bill to Dany's Hillary. Well, I can't really deny what you are saying. I only wanted to point out that trust might not be the issue with Victarion. Should she ever find Victarion on her side, I don't think he would betray her. That's not what he does. He hasn't even betrayed Euron yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tallTale Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 A couple things to remember.All these prophecies and dreams are really just forms of manipulation. How much they are used to help we do not know for sure.Second Quaithe says not to trust the Lion which could be referring to other Lannisters not yet seen in play. Perhaps the mysterious Garion Lannister is slithering about from the shadows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Not no one.Marwyn is conspicuously absent from that list.No mention of a Bear either now that you mention it.Victarion says he's going to make Dany a widow. Not a good start. And Vic also implies he's gonna marry Dany...whether she likes it or not. He's also literally attempting to take control of her dragons via a magic horn. And remember this is the guy who didn't even accept Asha as a low key Hand, so I don't think he'll settle for sitting pretty and being armcandy while Dany rules. He's not going to be the 2016 Bill to Dany's Hillary. He's going to be the 1998 Bill to Dany's Hillary. LMAO On a separate note, no 1 has yet posted that Tyrion could be 1 of Danys betrayals, I have always had a theory that he would be loyal to her for a while, become a trusted advisor or even get Viserion and would eventually betray her to save Jaime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimim Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Not no one.Marwyn is conspicuously absent from that list.True. It could also mean that Marwyn for whatever reason doesn't make it to Dany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamWhiteWalkerz Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I think people are exaggerating Theon's evilness. Whenever Tyrion decides to turn on Dany it won't because he is an evil, greedy demon monkey, it'll be because of Jaime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tallTale Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I think people are exaggerating Theon's evilness. Whenever Tyrion decides to turn on Dany it won't because he is an evil, greedy demon monkey, it'll be because of Jaime.Not just Jaime. Maybe he doesn't want Tommen harmed as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamWhiteWalkerz Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Not just Jaime. Maybe he doesn't want Tommen harmed as well.Tommen has a decently high probability of dying before Dany comes to Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Not just Jaime. Maybe he doesn't want Tommen harmed as well.He wanted to set Tommen against Myrcella and then gleefully supported a pretender seeking to depose Tommen. If he cares about the kid it ain't showing that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimim Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 He wanted to set Tommen against Myrcella and then gleefully supported a pretender seeking to depose Tommen. If he cares about the kid it ain't showing that much. He said he'd set Tommen against Myrcella, but he in fact didn't. When put in charge of his dad's vanguard, he did his best. When put in charge of KL, he again did his best. He didn't kill Joffrey. He killed his dad, but he had plenty of reasons. If it ever comes down to Jaime vs Dany, even Tommen/Myrcella/any Lannister but Cersei vs Dany, I'm not sure which he would support. Anyway, this is one reason why Dany should not trust him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baelor Butthole Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Dark Flame Moqorro?I can't decide if I think the dark flame is Moqorro or Marwyn. Something about the way the glass candle's makes me think of it as a dark flame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 No mention of a Bear either now that you mention it.LMAO On a separate note, no 1 has yet posted that Tyrion could be 1 of Danys betrayals, I have always had a theory that he would be loyal to her for a while, become a trusted advisor or even get Viserion and would eventually betray her to save Jaime.He will betray her for all the gold of Casterly Rock. (Illyrio will betray her for blood of the Blackfyre, and Aegon will betray her for love of...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiemal Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Tyrion's goals might run counter to Quaithe's purpose- even if they were to align perfectly with Dany's.Quathe's goals, in other words, aren't necessarily Dany's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtherFromAnotherMother Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I can't decide if I think the dark flame is Moqorro or Marwyn. Something about the way the glass candle's makes me think of it as a dark flameinteresting. I hadn't thought of Marwyn. He would fit the "dark flame" as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCK Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 How is there going to be a second dance of dragons if only one side has dragons? Tyrion might steal one of hers for Aegon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackfyre Bastard Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Who said Dany should trust Quaithe anyways?Can't say she wasn't warned about that:"Rakharo snorted contempt through his drooping black mustachios. “Khaleesi, better a man should swallow scorpions than trust in the spawn of shadows, who dare not show their face beneath the sun. It is known.”“It is known,” Aggo agreed."He wanted to set Tommen against Myrcella and then gleefully supported a pretender seeking to depose Tommen. If he cares about the kid it ain't showing that much. I don't remember exactly how that was set or presented, but I think Tyrion did it rather to keep Cersei in check. At least that's how I remember it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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