Dragon in the North Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 23 hours ago, Wendel Shoemaker said: It was a great choice to give Arya a cool and collected kill when she was supposed to be a wreck, and then in season 5 give her a kill where she completely lost it when she was supposed to be cool and collected? Arya lost it when she killed that Frey after the Red Wedding, but all her other kills were cold and calculated. Meryn Trant's death was violent, to be sure, but she didn't go crazy like when she killed the Frey, or the Tickler in the books. Trant's death was also cold and collected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendel Shoemaker Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 6 hours ago, Dragon in the North said: Arya lost it when she killed that Frey after the Red Wedding, but all her other kills were cold and calculated. Meryn Trant's death was violent, to be sure, but she didn't go crazy like when she killed the Frey, or the Tickler in the books. Trant's death was also cold and collected. I watched the scene again, you're right, violent but in control. (A little over the top with the violence honestly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dariopatke Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 I hope he doesnt release chapters because that means we wont have book soon, I really wish it to happen this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelborn Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Several people are claiming GRRM is reading a Damphair chapter at Balticon by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfWarg Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Yes they're saying it's called The Forsaken and like Ramsay Bolton in tone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelborn Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Now I can't wait to see it transcribed or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfWarg Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Me too : ) I'm following #Balticon on Twitter to try and find out more ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bemused Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Bryndenbfish's twitter is very informative.. Yipes! I want to see this in print.. (molestation, valyrian steel breast plate, Pyat Pree, shade of the evening visions, sailing into battle..) I have to go out, now, but I hope there'll be something up in the way of a more detailed report (tantalising as tweets are) when I get back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfWarg Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Thank you...I'm on Bryndenbfish's twitter now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelborn Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 https://twitter.com/arhythmetric/status/737014268189650944 She wrote 5 pages of notes. It may get hard to read sometimes, but very informative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfWarg Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 10 minutes ago, Steelborn said: https://twitter.com/arhythmetric/status/737014268189650944 She wrote 5 pages of notes. It may get hard to read sometimes, but very informative. Thank you - reading now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Northman Reborn Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Wow. Riveting stuff. I've created a new thread for this Sample chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scabbard Of the Morning Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Such a meaty chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sword of the Evening Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Way better than the Alayne chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 On 9.1.2016 at 11:31 PM, Good Guy Garlan said: I too think it'll be the Damphair...if GRRM is completely out of tune with reality. I mean, he's got to know he pissed off a substantial amount of readers with his announcement, so is he going to piss them off even further by finally - finally! - releasing a Winds chapter of a character despised by most of the fandom? Talk about salt in the wound (get it, cause Dampy is always salty?) And what kind of message would it send: "Hey, readers, it's me, Uncle George! You're still watching that HBO show with those boring characters no one cares about, like Jon Snow, Dany, Tyrion? Zzzzzz, I'm asleep already! My book is where all the fun's at, and to prove it here's a chapter of the most entertaining and beloved character ever, the Damphair!" And there's also the fact that a sample chapter is the only way GRRM has now of telling a part, however small, of his story before HBO, like he did with Mercy and Alayne. So why would he waste that opportunity on a character D&D are not even including? Oh, and if all that wasn't reason enough to keep Dampy away, he'd be giving ammunition to those who think he's really behind on Winds because they'll say: "Did you hear, GRRM is releasing the Damphair chapter he wrote like five years ago? See, he hasn't written anything new!" My guess is on a Melisandre chapter if he was feeling ballsy. If not, Dany or Sam. The chapter is indeed better than most of show Euron, and they had impactful events to show him as a good characters. But alas, the kingsmoot was completely wasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Gareth Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 I really don't know what to think anymore. ADWD was a massive depart from the first four novels in terms of feel and style. The narrative and locations didn't feel like an ASOIAF novel. The violence in the first four novels felt gritty and realistic for the main part. Some of it was ridiculous (Mountain Clans for example) but on a whole it was gritty, low fantasy for the most part and the sadistic characters were believable not only within themselves but the way others reacted to them. Then Ramsay came along. A cartoon villain in an unbelievable scenario effectively appealing to torture porn fans. Up until this point the mainly ridiculous characters had existed beyond the narrow sea. The Iron Born were a tad ridiculous but just about stayed within the realms of believability even if their culture is very 2D. Now we have the new chapter. Pedophillia, amputees, tortured pregnant women etc. I don't get it. The series was fine without the violence turning all "Saw" and contrived. The villains of the piece become more flamboyant and James Bond in nature. And worse is the sheer amount of released chapters now. By my reckoning he has released over 15% of the book already in sample chapters. I understand his angst. The show is talked about all the time and he is desperate to remain relavent and for his tale to remain relevant as he watches potential readers disappear in droves (a lot of people won't bother finishing the books once they know the story outcome from the show). But to release so much of the book? It's simply not wise. And worst of all is that the story needs to pick up pace. We have over 10% of the book already revealed to us and yet not a single chapter has really moved the story along. If he truly is to finish the series in two books then the pace surely has to pick up massively sooner rather than later?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Ser Gareth said: I really don't know what to think anymore. ADWD was a massive depart from the first four novels in terms of feel and style. The narrative and locations didn't feel like an ASOIAF novel. The violence in the first four novels felt gritty and realistic for the main part. Some of it was ridiculous (Mountain Clans for example) but on a whole it was gritty, low fantasy for the most part and the sadistic characters were believable not only within themselves but the way others reacted to them. Then Ramsay came along. A cartoon villain in an unbelievable scenario effectively appealing to torture porn fans. Up until this point the mainly ridiculous characters had existed beyond the narrow sea. The Iron Born were a tad ridiculous but just about stayed within the realms of believability even if their culture is very 2D. Now we have the new chapter. Pedophillia, amputees, tortured pregnant women etc. I don't get it. The series was fine without the violence turning all "Saw" and contrived. The villains of the piece become more flamboyant and James Bond in nature. And worse is the sheer amount of released chapters now. By my reckoning he has released over 15% of the book already in sample chapters. I understand his angst. The show is talked about all the time and he is desperate to remain relavent and for his tale to remain relevant as he watches potential readers disappear in droves (a lot of people won't bother finishing the books once they know the story outcome from the show). But to release so much of the book? It's simply not wise. And worst of all is that the story needs to pick up pace. We have over 10% of the book already revealed to us and yet not a single chapter has really moved the story along. If he truly is to finish the series in two books then the pace surely has to pick up massively sooner rather than later?! I think this chapter was released intentionally to show how toned done Euron was in the show and because he wanted to release it years ago. I don't think all chapters will be like that. There will be travellogues too. And food, lot's of food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 1 hour ago, John Doe said: I think this chapter was released intentionally to show how toned done Euron was in the show and because he wanted to release it years ago. I don't think all chapters will be like that. There will be travellogues too. And food, lot's of food. That's not true at all, since GRRM offered a choice of three chapters to the audience; Mercy, Sons of the Dragon, and Aeron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 2 hours ago, HelenaExMachina said: That's not true at all, since GRRM offered a choice of three chapters to the audience; Mercy, Sons of the Dragon, and Aeron. Okay, I bow to your superior knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevets Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 On 6/1/2016 at 0:35 AM, Ser Gareth said: And worst of all is that the story needs to pick up pace. We have over 10% of the book already revealed to us and yet not a single chapter has really moved the story along. If he truly is to finish the series in two books then the pace surely has to pick up massively sooner rather than later?! While I am a bit disconcerted about the pace of the story, and disliked the Aeron chapter, I think it is incorrec to say that not a single chapter has moved the story along. The Arya, Sansa, and Theon chapters have moved things along, at least to the extent that discussing Arya, Sansa, or the northern story-line is difficult without reference to the preview chapters. I do agree that the Arianne chapters and material set in Essos is disappointing. From what I can tell, ADWD also had about 15% released beforehand, at least in some form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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