Gone and Quite Forgotten Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Wait, that post came from an image that Rothfuss himself made public. So for all we know, that could be the cover letter to beta readers, and then twelve-hundred pages of the words "All work and no play make Patty a dull boy." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurble Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 4 hours ago, Myrddin said: A little googling found this Reddit post from five years ago. So, he sent a completed manuscript to beta readers in 2013 (two years after the release of WMF, btw) and it's still MIA? Was it really that bad that he hasn't been able to finish a revision since then? You can an interview with GRRM in the SSM from waaaaay back in like the 90s or something, where he says he wishes he were independently wealthy so he could take his time making sure each book he wrote was perfect. Well guess what, GRRM is independently wealthy now and is gonna take his time, and Rothfuss is the same. We should stop paying authors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrddin Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 "Should I play games? Circle Yes or Yes" "Should I write instead? Circle No or No" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 46 minutes ago, Ajûrbkli said: You can an interview with GRRM in the SSM from waaaaay back in like the 90s or something, where he says he wishes he were independently wealthy so he could take his time making sure each book he wrote was perfect. Well guess what, GRRM is independently wealthy now and is gonna take his time, and Rothfuss is the same. We should stop paying authors. What? If you don't want to buy their books... don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurble Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 no, no, we need to keep publishers in business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello World Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 On 3/9/2018 at 10:33 PM, Werthead said: * Bakker fans nod silently * Name of the Wind was on my to read list until these last few pages, Rothfuss seems like a cross between the all the bad things about Bakker and GRRM. Definitely not touching that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuenjato Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Myrddin said: "Should I play games? Circle Yes or Yes" "Should I write instead? Circle No or No" Yeah, that one really pissed off the fans. You have to be seriously tone-deaf to pull that kind of shit. While I was chasing the rumor, I found his blog post where he lists the 26 changes he made in a 10 hour period to WMF. His revisions are so intense I really wonder if he edits the thing to death, then spends loads of time having to fix it, bring it back to life. I've done this with two novels of my own, and it can seriously throw your mind into a loop. I thought WMF was 40% decent, and 60% trash, and that was after his years and years of revision. Part of the delay, I think, was the mixed reception to book 2. Easy to see a super-sensitive pretentious asshole borderline bi-polar author with several recent life traumas digging himself deeper in the hole, day by day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone and Quite Forgotten Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Hello World said: Name of the Wind was on my to read list until these last few pages, Rothfuss seems like a cross between the all the bad things about Bakker and GRRM. Definitely not touching that. As a writer he has very little in common with Bakker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 53 minutes ago, Let's Get Kraken said: As a writer he has very little in common with Bakker. Indeed. Kingkiller is the story of a preternaturally talented young man who women fall in love with at the drop of a hat and is awesome at everything he does, even if it's learning elite combat skills from some dudes he's just met or picking up sweet magic skills. You can't trust a word he says. A lot of readers despise the main character and prefer the secondary ones. The women appear to have been written by someone who's never actually met one, only heard about them from secondary sources. Hang on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Haha. Really though, its more a fear of the third book turning out like TUC then anything actually similar in style, although wert does have a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuenjato Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 3 hours ago, Werthead said: Indeed. Kingkiller is the story of a preternaturally talented young man who women fall in love with at the drop of a hat and is awesome at everything he does, even if it's learning elite combat skills from some dudes he's just met or picking up sweet magic skills. You can't trust a word he says. A lot of readers despise the main character and prefer the secondary ones. The women appear to have been written by someone who's never actually met one, only heard about them from secondary sources. Hang on. Very similar, looking at it that way. However, just for the record, the prose style and structure are completely different. Also, Bakker is very smart and he tries to display that in every paragraph; Rothfuss always (to me) feels like he's skating on thin ice whenever he gets pithy or philosophical -- woman as instruments is just one rather notorious example-- and sometimes comes off like an outright fraud coasting on the various things he learned in his 9 year college stint. The jury is still out whether he is attempting an unreliable narrator; considering how much they've hyped Kvothe as Mr. Cool in the assorted swag released over the years, I sort of doubt it, and this may be one of the underlying factors hindering book three--go for the route that Kvothe is actually a white knight goon that screws everything up due to his dishonesty and ego, or keep pandering to the wish fulfillment that propelled the first book into bestseller status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Yeah. the question really is are the books actually filled with foreshadowing and hints at an unreliable narrator, or are fans just seeing things that arn't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninefingers Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 40 minutes ago, Darth Richard II said: Yeah. the question really is are the books actually filled with foreshadowing and hints at an unreliable narrator, or are fans just seeing things that arn't there. I'd say...both? There's definitely foreshadowing built in, but let's mine Rothfuss for easter eggs has become such a thing that people are undertaking breathtaking levels of mental gymnastics to convince themselves they discovered something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 I dunno how much I can really say without getting into spoiler territory but a lot(and I mean a LOT) of what seems to be foreshadowing can turn out to be random bunk, if Bakker is being used as an example. Hell Bakker isn't even the worst example, he's just the most recent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily Valley Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Kingkiller brought me back to the board after several years hiatus, so I ain't gonna be mad at Rothfuss for taking his time. I've made some wonderful friends here and some fisticuffs book debate partners. I was NEVER mad at him for taking his time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaßvogel Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 19 hours ago, Lily Valley said: Kingkiller brought me back to the board after several years hiatus, so I ain't gonna be mad at Rothfuss for taking his time. I've made some wonderful friends here and some fisticuffs book debate partners. I was NEVER mad at him for taking his time. Well, there's taking your time, and there's live-streaming yourself playing video games and bragging about how you're not working on book 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone and Quite Forgotten Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 ^^^ See that's the issue I have. While Darth Richard, Lily Valley, and X-Ray are absolutely right about the issues with sexist comments and attitudes, it seems like 90% of this thread is more focused on whining about the perceived smugness with which Rothfuss goes about existing while having not yet published book 3. EDIT: fixed typo on DR's name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Let's Get Kraken said: ^^^ See that's the issue I have. While Darth Dichard, Lily Valley, and X-Ray are absolutely right about the issues with sexist comments and attitudes, it seems like 90% of this thread is more focused on whining about the perceived smugness with which Rothfuss goes about existing while having not yet published book 3. Well, he openly mocked his fans that he wasn't writing the book, I'd say that's more being an asshole then being smug. That one particular poll he did was what broke the camels back I think. He can play games all he wants, but rubbing it fans faces is kind of not cool. I do agree the same incident keeps getting brought up, I mean, if there's no news and no new er, fuckery, I don't see why we have to keep talking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 To clarify a bit, I have no problem if he wants to play games all day. What ever creative people need to do to you know, be normal creative people is fine. But the way he rubs it in fans faces is bad and I was talking to a friend today who has never read his books but knows him as "that author that mocks his fans while he plays game son twitch". That's not a good rep to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone and Quite Forgotten Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 9 hours ago, Darth Richard II said: Well, he openly mocked his fans that he wasn't writing the book, I'd say that's more being an asshole then being smug. That one particular poll he did was what broke the camels back I think. He can play games all he wants, but rubbing it fans faces is kind of not cool. That's true, he really didn't so himself any favors with that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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