Werthead Posted June 8, 2017 Author Share Posted June 8, 2017  Quote  Ken Clarke is my favourite Tory by miles.  His staunch resistance to Tory propaganda bullshit over an extensive long time is quite impressive. Quote A minority government could be possible, depending on how close the parties are to 323. Labour could probably rely on the SNP and the Tories on the DUP on many issues. This is perilous for Labour. If the SNP lose 20 seats, that damages their mandate to hold a second independence referendum. Labour cannot, under any circumstances, agree to support a second referendum as part of any agreement. It would risk destroying them in 2022 (particularly if Scotland went independent). But if the SNP lose enough seats so they can no longer demand IndyRef 2, then their numbers will also be less helpful in creating a majority coalition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted June 8, 2017 Author Share Posted June 8, 2017 Amber Rudd is reportedly close to losing her seat. That would be fucking hilarious. An odious, authoritarian martinet who behaved appallingly on the campaign trail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arataniello Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Strong and stable? No, looks like it'll be weak and wobbly for the Tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimTuesday Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 1 minute ago, mormont said: We could fill the time till the next result having the old referendums/referenda argument. Always a classic. As an American, the way that the UK does this is fascinating. The Parliamentary sovereignty is of particular interest, considering how much Americans like to bang on about how we are a democracy with our referendums and ballot measures, where as The UK just kind of says "Fuck it, you guys decide". That picture of the fella from Kettering looks like an absolute dweeb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted June 8, 2017 Author Share Posted June 8, 2017 Labour Party polling is now saying they are expecting to take between 4 and 6 seats in Scotland back from the SNP. Ipswich is now in play, which is notable as that's the seat of the guy who directed the Tory manifesto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arataniello Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 11 minutes ago, Slick Mongoose said: Ken Clarke is my favourite Tory by miles. Did I hear him on the BBC refer to voters in "the rust belt"....? Â That should play super well in post-industrial areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Mongoose Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Just now, Werthead said: Labour Party polling is now saying they are expecting to take between 4 and 6 seats in Scotland back from the SNP. Ipswich is now in play, which is notable as that's the seat of the guy who directed the Tory manifesto. I feel like believing these sorts of rumours on election night is just a recipe for steadily growing insanity. Especially as it gets later and later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arataniello Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Just now, Werthead said: Labour Party polling is now saying they are expecting to take between 4 and 6 seats in Scotland back from the SNP. Ipswich is now in play, which is notable as that's the seat of the guy who directed the Tory manifesto. I think it is the Tory party thinking they will take that number of seats in Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 It seems perfectly possible that both the Tories and Labour could take between four and six seats each back from the SNP, to be fair. I don't think it'll be that many, but I'm often wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted June 8, 2017 Author Share Posted June 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, Slick Mongoose said: I feel like believing these sorts of rumours on election night is just a recipe for steadily growing insanity. Especially as it gets later and later. Certainly. But it's interesting that one of the seats being most hotly contested is Gordon, with Salmond apparently now relying on the Tories and Lib Dems splitting the anti-SNP vote to survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Mongoose Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Great news for the Tories in Nuneaton. I think a small Tory majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted June 8, 2017 Author Share Posted June 8, 2017 Quote I think it is the Tory party thinking they will take that number of seats in Scotland. No, Labour. IIRC, they were projecting maybe just a gain of 1 or 2 a few days ago and that was considered optimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BlackBear Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Pleased by the exit poll, somewhat sceptical, but still pleased. What I am massively enjoying is the UKIP implosion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 If Labour wins the national vote share, but the Tories have substantially more seats (even if not a majority) will this fuel more demands for a PR system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamjm Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, GrimTuesday said: As an American, the way that the UK does this is fascinating. The Parliamentary sovereignty is of particular interest, considering how much Americans like to bang on about how we are a democracy with our referendums and ballot measures, where as The UK just kind of says "Fuck it, you guys decide". The UK electoral system does have some serious problems (the FPTP system has some big disadvantages) but I do prefer the way they do the election itself, I like the resolutely old-fashioned insistence on counting every vote by hand. That picture of the fella from Kettering looks like an absolute dweeb. I think his picture has probably perfectly captured his character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 6 minutes ago, The BlackBear said: Pleased by the exit poll, somewhat sceptical, but still pleased. What I am massively enjoying is the UKIP implosion. https://twitter.com/LostUKIPdeposit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Mongoose Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 I bet Boris Johnson was hoping for something like this. He'll be getting ready for the leadership campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Glory be! My new(ish) cable provider includes the BBC! I can watch the results come in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimTuesday Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 5 minutes ago, williamjm said: I think his picture has probably perfectly captured his character. The hosts were saying that he is super tight with UKIP which is why no UKIP candidate was running for that seat, so I would hazard a guess that he is a massive turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BlackBear Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, mormont said: https://twitter.com/LostUKIPdeposit Many thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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