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[Poll] How would you rate episode 706?

How would you rate episode 706?  

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  1. 1. What's your rating from 1-10, with 10 being the highest/best?

    • 1
      44
    • 2
      28
    • 3
      34
    • 4
      31
    • 5
      37
    • 6
      27
    • 7
      31
    • 8
      40
    • 9
      43
    • 10
      47


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Haven't been on in forever, had to log back in to say how bad of an episode this was.

I'll start with what I enjoyed, the slow this is inevitable and preplanned feeling of the night king killing viserion. Really good parallel to the frantic scenes, shock, and disbelief when Bronn shot drogon. I'm also hoping that those scenes and others this episode imply that the red god is possibly aligned with/ helped set up that ambush for the white walkers (possibly to get the dragon and try to take out some of humanities greatest soldiers??). 

Everything else was awful, not the time or place for benjen to show up and die we will never know any more of his story now, tormund should have died in that scene brutal but would have been GoT to the max, jorah should have died (my choice would have been taking benjens place as jons savior, with longclaw in hand then pulling those two little girly Rast knives for his last stand after putting Jon on a horse home.), Sansa sending Brienne, for what reason since if they bring the wight to kings landing Jon would be there to represent the north. Baelish doing nothing to further his own power at all these days after supposedly being behind almost every little thing in the previous history ever. I'm forgetting a few but I'm sure you get the point and lots of intelligent people have already explained all of it better then me on here. 

Do the writers assume the audience to be that stupid. Based on the decisions they've made this season, like the fact they expect us to believe the A-team was sent north to bring a wight back down to Cersei Lannister (who blew up a huge group of people recently) so everyone who was at war can hangout and have a discussion about teaming up, I guess that's a yes. 

 

Just disappointed to go from "wow this is pretty good for a show based off an exceptional book series" to right around that Shireen burning "wow this is going in it's own direction, but as it's own thing it's a good show" to "wow this is a bad show where I need to suspend my beliefs and my attention to detail" which is what I come to expect of most TV, but again it's supposed to be Game of Thrones, not CSI: Miami or Fast and Furious.

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5 hours ago, RhaenysB said:

I wouldn't denounce it, I would have written the books and shown them how it's done. But I agree with you about everything else. 

Sure, that would be preferable. I don't think he is entirely to blame though, even if agreeing to an adaptation before the books were finished was a mistake. Who would think that a show could prove this incapable when going away from the source material.

4 hours ago, Stuart Littlefinger said:

The scary thing is that so many fans are still eating it up. Watch videos of the live reactions of viewers at Burlington Bar, these people cheer and whoop, it's utterly embarrassing. I can't help but feel they are just trying to cater to this type of viewer now, getting really popular was the worst thing to happen to this show. 

Totally agree, the popularity is poison. Once you know you can do anything and the major part of your audience will love it, why make an effort? Sadly, the people who still like the show will be the first to forget it once the last season is over. GoT will have no legacy and will be forgotten just as quickly as any stupid fantasy show from the 90s. And it didn't have to be that way - it started out as something that might have been remembered as intelligent, clever fantasy on TV.

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39 minutes ago, Meera of Tarth said:

It's a bad episode. 3/10

I would rate it 1/10 but I laughed so many times, and also cried with Viserion's heroic death, so it's not an apocalypse, just a terrible earthquake.

yea :( 

and Drogon's emotional cry when he saw his brother fall. Truely emotional scene.

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5 hours ago, King Louis II (KLII) said:

I feel that as long people applaud an episode despite plotholes, character deviations, exaggerations, contradictions, poor writing....  (which people have the right to do so...) there is no incentive for the show to get better, or to any other directors and writers in the future to make something plausible...

Like, no matter what somebody writes, you just put some action and nice CGI and people will love and pay.... and our population gets less and less intellectually challenged.

 

Amen to that!  My complaint about most action movies these days.  I want a good story supplemented by good action and special effects, not great CGI and so-so story.

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19 hours ago, RhaenysB said:

probably watching weirwoodnet porn

Well that explains it. I am not sure I want to delve too deeply into what a teenage boy with access to a few thousand years' worth of re-livable porn is doing, but all of a sudden his complete disappearance from the story and apparent apathy to everything around him makes sense.

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A couple of times it's come up on these forums, asking how people give this episode such a high/low score.  Quick answer for my 9, to put it in context.  I get a feeling there are similar systems, so maybe this will provide a little clarity.

I think of the 1-10 as percentile markers, so 9 means this episode falls between the 85th and 94th percentile of television episodes.  On a scale of how much did I like it.

I used to score GoT on it's own scale as it was the best show on television (by far) and basically every episode would be a 9 or 10.  Once it became clear (season 5) that the show was no longer in it's own category and it shifted to the normal all episodes scale.  So this 9, would likely have been a 6ish on the old scale.

I rarely give any episode of a show I watch a 5 or below.  There are a LOT of shows on TV.  I assume the lower percentiles are filled with network dramas, sitcoms and other stuff I don't watch (because I wouldn't like it).  If I show I watched started hitting low numbers, I would stop watching it.

I like film making, so I give a lot of weight to things like production, acting and direction.  The show still scores almost all 10's on production value.  There has never been a show like this before in terms of production.  I don't think this point is arguable (but hey... all opinions are).  The acting score is still extremely high for a television show.  It has gone down as some of the stronger actors are gone, and two of the weakest are now clearly the leads.  The directing score is a little more up and down, but still well above average.

Those scores support the other categories, where the show scores lower, though bad writing is ALL OVER television.  This show's writing really only looks so bad when compared to earlier seasons.  It was never as high as HBO's true writing masterpieces (Sopranos, Deadwood, The Wire), but it was competing for the best writing each year.  In comparison to CBS procedurals and generic sitcoms, it still does ok.  It just isn't on the playing field with the big boys now.

So I think it you lined up every episode of television made this season, you'd only find 10-15% of them were better than this episode.  It's just not what we used to have.

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My initial reaction was excitement and joy that none of my favorite characters were killed in this episode, and I did get caught up in the excitement and suspense of the fight and waiting for Dany’s rescue, despite the questions in the back of my mind about the logistical issues.  My initial rating was a 9, but I dropped it to a 7.

I thoroughly enjoyed the conversations among the members of the Wight Squad.  I really don’t understand why so many people think they were bad.  I felt it was a good way to bring them together, having the various individuals discussing things they have in common with each other.  Best was the Hound and Tormund talking about Brienne, and second was Jon and Jorah talking about Longclaw.  Last week a lot of people thought that Jorah would be angry and demand Jon give Longclaw to him, but I always believed he was too honorable for that.  In fact, that scene showed both Jon and Jorah’s sense of honor, Jon in offering the sword to Jorah, and Jorah acknowledging he had forfeited his right to it.

I loved Dany finally realizing that helping Jon was the right thing to do. 

I hated Tyrion trying to talk her out it.  I hate what they are doing with Tyrion period.  He used to be my favorite character for his wit and intelligence.  Now they have him giving her good counsel one minute, like reminding her she needs to control her temper and think like her enemies, then next minute he is too short sighted to see that helping Jon fight the WW needs to come before fighting for the IT, even though he believes Jon about them!

Gendry is young and strong, but he ran all the way back to the wall in a day?  Come one!  On the other hand, I have seen a couple post that it is stupid to believe Dany could get from Dragonstone to north of the wall in less than a day.  She’s riding a dragon…I’m thinking they can fly very, very fast.   

Sansa and Arya….well my initial response was Arya is just being a self-righteous little bitch.  A lot of people think their scenes were boring and useless.  I thought they were far from boring, and as far as being useless that has rarely been the case in this show so I am withholding judgement on that for now (giving D&D benefit of the doubt).  It seems like Arya might be baiting Sansa.  What I really don’t get is why Sansa confided in LF.  She has said herself he can’t be trusted.  I would say that she was playing him, except for the seriousness of the contents of that letter and the fact that he already knew about it.  He was there when she wrote it.  And then she sent Brienne away.  Was it really to represent her in KL?  Or thwarting LF’s scheming?

I know that Arya learned a lot training with the faceless men, and from her other experiences on the road, but does anyone else feel she changed from the time she arrived at Winterfell?  Like she’s 10 years older or something?  I can’t really describe it.

I thought the scene with Jon and Dany on the ship was wonderful.  They both fully support and believe in each other now, and even though I don’t like them as a romantic couple, I do like seeing their fondness for each other growing.  I said it last week and I’ll say it again, Emilia is so much better at being tender and kind than an arrogant hard ass. 

I know it was cheesy and could have been done better, but I still liked Uncle Benjen coming to Jon’s rescue.  Jon always admired him, and it was a fitting, heroic death for Benjen.

And where the heck did the Wight Squadron get wood for a fire????

Edited by SansaJonRule

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48 minutes ago, legba11 said:

A couple of times it's come up on these forums, asking how people give this episode such a high/low score.  Quick answer for my 9, to put it in context.  I get a feeling there are similar systems, so maybe this will provide a little clarity.

I think of the 1-10 as percentile markers, so 9 means this episode falls between the 85th and 94th percentile of television episodes.  On a scale of how much did I like it.

I used to score GoT on it's own scale as it was the best show on television (by far) and basically every episode would be a 9 or 10.  Once it became clear (season 5) that the show was no longer in it's own category and it shifted to the normal all episodes scale.  So this 9, would likely have been a 6ish on the old scale.

I rarely give any episode of a show I watch a 5 or below.  There are a LOT of shows on TV.  I assume the lower percentiles are filled with network dramas, sitcoms and other stuff I don't watch (because I wouldn't like it).  If I show I watched started hitting low numbers, I would stop watching it.

I like film making, so I give a lot of weight to things like production, acting and direction.  The show still scores almost all 10's on production value.  There has never been a show like this before in terms of production.  I don't think this point is arguable (but hey... all opinions are).  The acting score is still extremely high for a television show.  It has gone down as some of the stronger actors are gone, and two of the weakest are now clearly the leads.  The directing score is a little more up and down, but still well above average.

Those scores support the other categories, where the show scores lower, though bad writing is ALL OVER television.  This show's writing really only looks so bad when compared to earlier seasons.  It was never as high as HBO's true writing masterpieces (Sopranos, Deadwood, The Wire), but it was competing for the best writing each year.  In comparison to CBS procedurals and generic sitcoms, it still does ok.  It just isn't on the playing field with the big boys now.

So I think it you lined up every episode of television made this season, you'd only find 10-15% of them were better than this episode.  It's just not what we used to have.

But, playing devil's advocate here (because obviously you're allowed to score however you like, and there's not really an objective way to go about this), if you were to score in this way, wouldn't a score that evaluates the quality of the episode relative to other shows on TV, as a function of the budget available to each show, be more fair?

With your ranking scheme, let's assume I start a show tomorrow myself, that has incredible plot, characters, acting, etc. but has production values that reflect the fact that I do not have upwards of a million to spend per episode - my show would always at most score around a 6 or 7 in your scale, even though it might be far superior to GoT in most aspects other than production.

If shows with higher budgets get ranked higher merely due to the fact that they have higher budgets (as money can buy you production and acting talent), then we will enter a viscious circle, where only high budget shows get good reviews that can attract viewers, and the barriers to entry for talent that may not have as much money on their hands, gets higher and higher.

Said another way: Game of Thrones has I believe the highest budget per episode of any TV show ever, and in this season, the highest budget compared to any other season. I take it as a given that it will have high production values, and I judge the show-runners relative to the outcomes they produce given the resources available to them. If the show-runners have more than 10 million $ or so to play with per episode, more money than most of us will make in ten lifetimes, but they are arrogant enough with that money that this is the best they can come up with because they've grown tired with the show, then my ranking will hold them accountable for it.

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24 minutes ago, SansaJonRule said:

where the heck did the Wight Squadron get wood for a fire????

Tormund's Member, obviously. More than enough for a dozen campfires.

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I wouldn't even score the episode highly on production values or action, so it loses out there too. You can occasionally sway me and I'll forget the  bad plotting if the scenes are well directed or beautiful, but apart from some nice landscape shots I can't say that about this episode.

The action itself wasn't even close to Hardhome levels , everything was directed in a very safe, standard manner. There were very few epic or interestingly framed shots. 

It was below average even on those terms 

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2 hours ago, Gargarax said:

Sure, that would be preferable. I don't think he is entirely to blame though, even if agreeing to an adaptation before the books were finished was a mistake. Who would think that a show could prove this incapable when going away from the source material.

Totally agree, the popularity is poison. Once you know you can do anything and the major part of your audience will love it, why make an effort? Sadly, the people who still like the show will be the first to forget it once the last season is over. GoT will have no legacy and will be forgotten just as quickly as any stupid fantasy show from the 90s. And it didn't have to be that way - it started out as something that might have been remembered as intelligent, clever fantasy on TV.

Yeah that was an awful decision, especiallly that he knew full well he wouldn't finish the series before the show catches up with it. Of course he couldn't have known that d&d have the writing skills of a fourth grader. 

It won't be forgotten, but it has no value. It's popularized crap. It's a cheap cliche to make the masses happy so they pay for an hbo subscription and buy lots of merch. My only question is, do the actors realize how bad it is? Because most of them seem like they don't, and that's probably the saddest. Or maybe they do they just don't care, it's s job, they became millionaires, who cares the show is nonsensical bullshit? 

1 hour ago, Mikkel said:

Well that explains it. I am not sure I want to delve too deeply into what a teenage boy with access to a few thousand years' worth of re-livable porn is doing, but all of a sudden his complete disappearance from the story and apparent apathy to everything around him makes sense.

I mean how else do you justify the absence of a mighty, powerful, all knowing seer in completely crucial events? Bran has never been so useless. He doesn't do anything. He could as well have stayed lost or died. He doesn't provide any new information, he doesn't interact with other characters, he doesn't do anything. 

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THE BEST VIDEO SUMMATION FOR THIS THREAD!


According to the POLL in this thread 43% of respondents voted this episode 5 or lower!

What astonishes me is HOW can almost half of all respondents be voting in that low region while the other half voted 6+?  How is this possible?

I voted "2".  It was the worst episode in not just season 7 but in ALL RECENT MEMORY.  Not just for time-traveling ravens and chains from nowhere, but for actual real reasons like IT SUCKED and was almost 100% fan-service.

 

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3 hours ago, Meera of Tarth said:

-I liked that I laughed so hard many many times. WIght! The wight!!!! The wights patrooling, oh it was like a comedy

 

Yes, and now I finally know, what this episode reminded me of: Has anybody seen "Dead Snow"? A (nazi-)zombie comedy! It's fun, really, but not what I expect from Game of Thrones...

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54 minutes ago, RhaenysB said:

Yeah that was an awful decision, especiallly that he knew full well he wouldn't finish the series before the show catches up with it. Of course he couldn't have known that d&d have the writing skills of a fourth grader. 

It won't be forgotten, but it has no value. It's popularized crap. It's a cheap cliche to make the masses happy so they pay for an hbo subscription and buy lots of merch. My only question is, do the actors realize how bad it is? Because most of them seem like they don't, and that's probably the saddest. Or maybe they do they just don't care, it's s job, they became millionaires, who cares the show is nonsensical bullshit? 

I mean how else do you justify the absence of a mighty, powerful, all knowing seer in completely crucial events? Bran has never been so useless. He doesn't do anything. He could as well have stayed lost or died. He doesn't provide any new information, he doesn't interact with other characters, he doesn't do anything. 

To be fair, the absence of Bran can make sense. He's just overwhelmed by all the information (like that Russian chick in Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull - no, stop, bad example, one of the worst films ever, although many would agree, Game of Thrones has been destroyed in a similar manner to that franchise).
Seriously: Bran's situation is comparable to Sam's. The maesters don't act, they study, and so does Bran. Sam had the advantage of limited access (and a hot wildling waiting outside the library), thus he decided against pure wisdom. If he had been offered full access to the reading rooms, instead of being forced to steal two armfuls of books, he might have done the same as the maesters - and Bran: Getting lost in knowledge, too occupied to do anything, out of touch with other people who care about their pity day-to-day lives... There's always more information to be considered befor you take your decision.

Maybe he needs to study to understand what really lies at the bottom of all this, who is the Night King, what does he want, and why, and in the last episode he'll finally look up, knock on weirwood and say: "Got it! Our world was created in the belly of a wise walrus that goes by the name of "Grrm the Unfinisher". Our only purpose is to make money for Grrm, his two high priests and an organization called HBO."

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38 minutes ago, petertel123 said:

This episode holds an 82% rating on rotten tomatoes. Critics are wearing rose tinted glasses nowadays. A movie with storytelling this lazy would never be above 50%.

"Professional" critics have never been a voice of truth.

And this goes for any industry, gaming, music, filmography,... The only thing critics will tell you is who payed them more for a review. They won't bite the hand that feeds them. Even on user-rating sites, every major company has thousands of accounts there, like IMDB, Steam, etc... And I haven't even touched the effect of marketing and popular culture.

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Lol.. the ratings (for quality) in this poll is pathetic compared to the previous years.

I believe thus is more than enough reason to believe that the shows quality has reached a new low.. No matter how loud the show "loyalists" shout and justify the nonsense shown.

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