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Queen Daenerys Targaryen will rule Westeros

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:huh:

Anyone else seeing quote text boxes filled with Spanish while the original comment that was quoted is in English?

or... am I going crazy?

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6 minutes ago, Lurid Jester said:

:huh:

Anyone else seeing quote text boxes filled with Spanish while the original comment that was quoted is in English?

or... am I going crazy?

あなたが何を言っているのか分かりません. あなたは狂っている.

No, seriously, I'm seeing it too.

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11 minutes ago, falcotron said:

あなたが何を言っているのか分かりません. あなたは狂っている.

No, seriously, I'm seeing it too.

Lol, glad it's not just me then.  

Super weird though.  

Seems to only happen when @The Prince who was not pro quotes someone.  

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8 hours ago, Dickon Khaleesi said:

Daenerys is a traitor to her own family. It's already cheesy enough to see her stupid scenes riding around on a dragon burning people. There is only one ruler now and he is marching south past the wall.

Hail the Night King, because the day is long and full of morons

 

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I strongly believe she (or Jon) will die in the NK war, tho I hope not. (Or both)

Her conversation topic with Tyrion about succession will mean something. If she dies and Jon survives, she will definitely name Jon to be the king.

I wonder how people will react if Dany don't survive till the end. 

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#4 I dont think they were being arrogant they were just trying to defend their homes from an invader. Also since Aegon took over there was almost non stop civil wars for 300 years, I wouldn't call that better off.

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12 hours ago, Dickon Khaleesi said:

Daenerys is a traitor to her own family. It's already cheesy enough to see her stupid scenes riding around on a dragon burning people. There is only one ruler now and he is marching south past the wall.

Not as 'cheesy' than seeing the 'hidden prince' get to the Iron Throne, though?

Jon has died once; for that reason, he will die again. This time for good. Jon is there to be the rightful heir, but the one that doesn't get there. I believe his story will climax in making the ultimate sacrifice, his own life, to ensure the White Walkers are beaten and that Daenerys gets to sit on the Iron Throne.

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8 hours ago, KingMudd said:

#4 I dont think they were being arrogant they were just trying to defend their homes from an invader. Also since Aegon took over there was almost non stop civil wars for 300 years, I wouldn't call that better off.

It isn't quite that bad. For example, there's 81 years between the Faith Militant and the Dance, 61 years between the Dance and the First Blackfyre Rebellion, 46 years between the Fourth Blackfyre Rebellion and Robert's Rebellion. Those are pretty long stretches without civil wars.

And it's not as if there was peace before Aegon came. The Hoare conquest of the Riverlands, for example, may be a war between two separate kingdoms rather than a civil war, but that doesn't mean it was any nicer to be a part of.

Anyway, even the in-universe Maesters don't feel the need to call him either perfect or villainous; they say he was an enigma who brought much good and much bad with his conquest. That sounds like a fair description to me. I don't know why so many fans think they need to believe North Korean-style propaganda for or against every character.

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Maybe, but I will say that I will be utterly shocked if there is still an Iron Throne at story's end. I would wager a republic is formed; guessing Sansa, Tyrion and Sam being the foremost founder/member characters.

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18 hours ago, The Gizzard of Oz said:

 This story is partly empowerment of women.  

Lol no.

The books are maybe (maybe) somewhat about the oppression of women (a little), but the show? Their idea of feminism is Lyanna Mormont building herself up at the expense of other women. This is not a feminist show (if it were they might have a woman or two on the writing staff).  This is a bunch of men making a show for other men.  If you go in trusting them to be at all feminist you are gonna be disappointed.

Frankly, if GRRM thought women's empowerment was so central to the story he wouldn't have given it over to those bros without more restrictions.

...

At this point, if there is still an Iron throne at the end I don't think Jon or Dany will be on it. Maybe Gendry for a Baratheon restoration.

I guess Daenerys is more likely to rule than other women because she functions partially as male wish-fulfillment, but she's most likely gonna end up dead (let's be real here).

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On 23.8.2017 at 1:08 AM, E.S. Dinah said:

Daenerys Targaryen will become the second ruling queen of Westeros after she takes the Iron Throne.  She is the person who is best fit to rule and reform the kingdom.  She deserves to rule.

 

  1. Daenerys always finds a way to win.  She was forced to marry Khal Drogo and turned that to her advantage.  Where most women would wilt away, Daenerys won Drogo's respect.  She was badly outnumbered and yet she found a way to free the Unsullied from their Astapori masters.  She took Yunkai without a siege and won the Second Sons (Storm Crows in the text) over to her side.  She defeated the masters and took their ships.
  2. Dany has proven herself capable of bettering the lives of people.  Like many, many fans have posted on this very forum, millions of people in the East now enjoy freedom because of Daenerys Targaryen.  She dismantled the slave trade and made sure no one in the future will ever be enslaved again.  Part of making that happen required taking complete control of the Dothraki by getting rid of the khals, the source of most of the slaves.
  3. Daenerys has a regal bearing.  It's been said more than a few times by more than a few people.  Daenerys has the elegance and the bearing of a monarch.  I have now watched every episode of the show, an exercise that took up many hours, and I do not recall a single scene in which Daenerys utters a profanity of any kind.  Whereas most of the characters regularly drop the f-bomb, shit, and the c-word, Daenerys always chooses intelligent words to express herself.  She always carries herself with dignity.  Just watching that scene right before she executed the Tarlys was like watching a God delivering judgment.  It just felt right.  It was right and it was the right decision to handle someone like Randyll Tarly and his son.
  4. Daenerys' story is a parallel to that of her great ancestor, Aegon the Conqueror.  Aegon gave people the same choice.  Bend the knee or die.  A few minor but arrogant kings, like Durrandon, Hoare, and Gardener had to die before Westeros bent its knees and became all the better for it.  You have to break a few eggs to make an omelet. 
  5. Daenerys knows how to seize the moment.  She took advantage of the cult of R'hllor to help bring peace and hope to Meereen.  While not a religious person herself (which is a good thing), she knows the value of religion and belief.  She uses them to her advantage, like any capable ruler should.  Like any capable politician should.
  6. I liked that topic thread crediting Dany's public speaking skills.  She is the best orator among the main characters.  Her keen intelligence and timing enhance her considerable communications skills. 
  7. Daenerys has travelled the Free Cities.  She can speak many different language, from the Common Tongue, to High Valyrian, to Dothraki.  She is a very knowledgeable person.  In a land whose idea of a "formal education" is having been spoon fed by the Maesters, Dany has traveled widely and actually gained real world experience. 
  8. Daenerys looks like a Targaryen.  She has those physical traits that are uniquely Valyrian.  She has awakened dragons from stone.  She is Azor Ahai.  She is the Mother of Dragons.  Her identity cannot be disputed nor questioned by anyone. 
  9. Jon already bent his knees and thus bound the North to Daenerys.  Regardless of how Sansa feels about it, when those wights come calling on Winterfell, it won't be to deliver pizza.  Even foolish Sansa would swallow her pride and bend her knees to Dany, if she wants to survive the long night.
  10. *Midnight Confession asked that I add this to the list:  Daenerys is fireproof, which is as close to a god as you can get in that universe.  Another sign that she is truly very special. 
  11. And this one comes from the fan discussions on the previous episode.  The people of Slaver's Bay (Bay of Dragons now) are better off now than they were before Dany got rid of the masters.  This is proof that Dany improves the lives of the people.  She is the best choice to lead Westeros for the long term.

I wrote this partly in response to the many fans' concerns about too much fan service and how it may affect the ending.  While I can agree that there is a lot of fan service on the show.  That is true.  However, I also believe that the show and the books will reach the same conclusion:  Daenerys Targaryen on the throne and ruling Westeros.  No other ending would make any sense. 

The writing on the show can get lazy at times and too many shortcuts just to force a scene to happen.  Case in point:  Gilly finding that passage regarding Rhaegar's annulment.  It's blatantly contrived.   I believe that they ad lib on the smaller parts but the ending of book and show will agree and Daenerys will rule Westeros at the end of the story.

No one deserves to inherit power. No one deserves to rule. What is the difference between a serf and a slave? Serfs are bound to their lords land, slaves to their masters will.

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On 25. 8. 2017 at 1:48 AM, The Prince who was not pro said:

No, the end will be bittersweet, that's a happy ending, Daewnerys is going to die.

Not that I want to argue on who is gonna make it (I honestly think anyone is a safe bet at this point). But I do feel that the 'bittersweet' ending is not about who makes/rules IT in the end but the fact it won't matter anymore. 

How can you get any satisfaction, a happy ending when the world is in ruins, where 9 out of 10 people you knew are already dead. There is no win here.

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On 25/08/2017 at 10:05 PM, JordanJH1993 said:

Not as 'cheesy' than seeing the 'hidden prince' get to the Iron Throne, though?

Jon has died once; for that reason, he will die again. This time for good. Jon is there to be the rightful heir, but the one that doesn't get there. I believe his story will climax in making the ultimate sacrifice, his own life, to ensure the White Walkers are beaten and that Daenerys gets to sit on the Iron Throne.

But that is the classic trope that the resurrected hero mist die again to save the realm. This universe has been based on subverting those norms :P it could go another way.

Remember what Alister said "You'll be fighting their wars forever" 

Beside, before he dies, he needs to get someone pregnant or the Targaryen line will die with him. Guess who is the most likely to take his seed... :P

 

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17 hours ago, John Meta said:

Maybe, but I will say that I will be utterly shocked if there is still an Iron Throne at story's end. I would wager a republic is formed; guessing Sansa, Tyrion and Sam being the foremost founder/member characters.

Nah, there would be to much violence, people fighting for power. Who would elect leaders to rule themselves? Every major Lord would feel entitled. Daenerys would want power, etc. They would rip themselves apart before electing someone to govern them.

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59 minutes ago, plastic throne said:

Not that I want to argue on who is gonna make it (I honestly think anyone is a safe bet at this point). But I do feel that the 'bittersweet' ending is not about who makes/rules IT in the end but the fact it won't matter anymore. 

How can you get any satisfaction, a happy ending when the world is in ruins, where 9 out of 10 people you knew are already dead. There is no win here.

People have got it in their heads that bitter-sweet = someone will die, either Jon or Daenerys. That's, like, what they all say... >.< 

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1 hour ago, norwaywolf123 said:

No one deserves to inherit power. No one deserves to rule. What is the difference between a serf and a slave? Serfs are bound to their lords land, slaves to their masters will.

No one does deserve to rule, but the conquers will rule anyway :)

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On 2017-08-25 at 4:25 AM, The Gizzard of Oz said:

That is sickening to me.  I hate Jon and it would be a tragedy if he ends up on the throne.  And boring.  This story is partly empowerment of women.  I don't think an ending where Jon, one of the dumbest people in the story, ends up on the throne.  Boy gets the throne is boring.  Girl gets the throne is a better ending.

No, that would be such a stereotypical, boring clichée. She has to die. She has been the favorite winner all the way since season 1.

It would be a huge dissapointment if she survives and rules happliy ever after. This is not "bittersweet" in any way - it is plainly sweet.

GRRM said that the one who sits the Iron Throne at the end would be "someone unexpected", meaning "not Danaerys". In GRRM's mind, Jon is unexpected, even if he isn't in our's.

 

I wouldn't be suprised if they changed the end from the book-ending to something they created themselves, but then it would be a change for the worse ... as basically all major changes have been.

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