Jace, Extat Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 13 minutes ago, Nasty LongRider said: I like yur thinking, they coulda had a brand new shiny 'but our memo' except for them meanie Demo's depriving the peeps of seeing da TRUTH! Yup, they missed their moment. What!?! Dems completely mishandle Pubs playing into their hands which leads to Pubs missing an opportunity for the final nail in the coffin? Next we're gonna see Bob Meuller get caught red-handed saving a child from a well and there goes his credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 14 minutes ago, Pony Queen Jace said: Next we're gonna see Bob Meuller get caught red-handed saving a child from a well and there goes his credibility. No shit dudette, saving children from wells is just the pits! What does Bobby Three Sticks do for an encore from that? Problly, walk some little old lady across the street and help her up the curb. What an asshole! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 29 minutes ago, Pony Queen Jace said: Dems completely mishandle Pubs playing into their hands which leads to Pubs missing an opportunity for the final nail in the coffin? Polyticks is strange indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace, Extat Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Jim Schutto and Pamela Brown talking over each other. I feel like there's some dislike there. Maybe it's just bad chemistry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 5 hours ago, Mudguard said: The memo failed to live up to all the hype. Who cares about Carter Page? I don't think the FBI, DOJ, or Mueller has anything on Page, otherwise he'd be indicted by now along with Flynn, Manafort, Gates, and Papadopoulos. With Mueller in the process of trying to schedule an interview with Trump, the investigation is likely approaching its conclusion. The main purpose of the memo was to attempt to discredit the Russian investigation and to lay the groundwork for firing Rosenstein if necessary. If Mueller continues to press Trump for an in-person interview and/or starts putting pressure on Trump Jr. or Kushner, I think Trump will fire Rosenstein in order to appoint someone that's willing to fire Mueller. But that would be a last resort. Obviously, Trump is hoping that he can just sit pat and weather the storm, but it's clear that he's worried enough that he's taking steps to end the investigation. The Steele dossier still remains a disappointment. Has anything of substance from the dossier that wasn't already publicly known been confirmed? As far as I know, it's generated nothing usable against Trump. And now it's being used by Trump and his supporters as a way to discredit the Russian investigation. So far, none of the indictments appears to be relying on anything from the dossier. We'll see if anyone else is indicted by Mueller, and whether the charges have anything to do with any of the allegations made in the dossier, but I'm doubtful that anything will ever come of the dossier. Yeah, stuff from the Steel dossier has been confirmed to some degree or another. The FBI was also using the thing to some extent as it was backing up or suggesting things they were already looking at. Steel's dossier is essentially compilation of things he'd heard from various sources. This is not bad or weird or anything as that's exactly what the dossier is supposed to be. And it's basically been shown to at least have a lot of the broad strokes correct. It's also missing a lot of things that went on too. No one is relying on the dossier as primary evidence of anything because that's not the kind of document it is. But people are using it as a "we should look in to this" suggestion and a lot of the time they've found something worth looking in to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 4 hours ago, James Arryn said: The more I think about it, if they’d managed to give the impression that they were dying to release it but the Democrats were preventing them through legal technicalities, that would have been their best position. People will assume there’s something Dems are afraid gets out, they’re credited with wanting ‘to trust the people and let them decide’ but ultimately sacrificing political gain for Rule of Law, plus no one ever sees how nothing it all was. That was their sweet spot. Kinda pushes a lot of hyper-conservative paranoiac buttons. Who knows, maybe that was the intention and someone overplayed their hand. I half suspect this was the plan. We basically know for sure that Trump was too stupid to realise it though. He believes what Fox News tells him to so he swallowed the narrative the right was pushing about the memo whole and demanded it's release and thinks it totally says that Mueller and the entire Russia investigation is wrong. (there's no way he's actually read the thing, he lacks the attention span) The only real question is if Nunes was smart enough to know this was the right play. I kinda suspect he isn't or at least he got backed into a corner and was scrambling to put something together and then failed and so we get this nothingburger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace, Extat Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Back to Schutto and Brown. Jim King was wrapping up a filibuster about some bullshit about the Nunes memo and they suddenly looked at each other and smiled like hyenas. 5 seconds later they usher King off the air and get some Dem guy on air. I think he said something along the lines of 'that's bullshit' and they heard it in their earpieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamMe90 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Mudguard said: Not sure how the Democrats' memo, if it ever gets approval from both the House committee and Trump, can effectively rebut the Republican memo if they can't disclose classified information. To evaluate the accuracy of either memo, we need access to the factual allegations that served as the basis for the FISA warrant applications, but there's no way that we are getting that information from the Democrats' memo. Republicans and/or the White House would redact all that material out. Well, since Devin Nunes himself just admitted on national television that he did not read the FISA warrant applications... I'm not sure how much rebutting it needs. Truly, it is incredibly how fucking moronic and incompetent these people are. Jesus fucking Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 I'm hearing reading on twitter reports that Sean H ended his hour long radio show with 'butter emails!" Same shit, day ending with 'y'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 52 minutes ago, IamMe90 said: Well, since Devin Nunes himself just admitted on national television that he did not read the FISA warrant applications... I'm not sure how much rebutting it needs. Truly, it is incredibly how fucking moronic and incompetent these people are. Jesus fucking Christ. Trey fucking Gowdy, known idiot and shill, won't even back this thing. https://twitter.com/TGowdySC/status/959495152770469888 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace, Extat Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 36 minutes ago, Shryke said: Trey fucking Gowdy, known idiot and shill, won't even back this thing. https://twitter.com/TGowdySC/status/959495152770469888 I think he's gonna try to snag an appointment before Trump goes down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Pony Queen Jace said: I think he's gonna try to snag an appointment before Trump goes down. Hmmmm, what about that loyalty oath he gave Trump tho? Could be trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonnot OG Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 US leaders are more loyal to bigotry and tax cuts than the people of the country, specifically the republicans. They have no issue letting a foreign government fuck around in our elections as long as they can help the rich, fuck the poor and oppress the marginalized. They're just doing what capitalism preaches, greed, hierarchies and oppression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 4 hours ago, Shryke said: Trey fucking Gowdy, known idiot and shill, won't even back this thing. https://twitter.com/TGowdySC/status/959495152770469888 Draco Malfoy had his limits after all. (Note to mcbigski: I do not actually think Trey Gowdy is a fictional wizard with too much inbreeding in his genealogy, I am making a colorful comparison) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAROVORKIN Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 5 hours ago, Sword of Doom said: US leaders are more loyal to bigotry and tax cuts than the people of the country, specifically the republicans. They have no issue letting a foreign government fuck around in our elections as long as they can help the rich, fuck the poor and oppress the marginalized. They're just doing what capitalism preaches, greed, hierarchies and oppression. If your contemplating socialism as viable alternative to what you see as being wrong with capitalism. You might want to look at its historical record . Capitalism for all its faults, has so far proven to be. best system to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 2 hours ago, GAROVORKIN said: If your contemplating socialism as viable alternative to what you see as being wrong with capitalism. You might want to look at its historical record . Capitalism for all its faults, has so far proven to be. best system to date. Why don't you try coming up with a positive defense of capitalism? You know, actually back up an assertion. It would be so novel! And it would totally surprise the people who think you're just a sea lion who's incapable of expressing more than bumper sticker platitudes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarsen Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Going back to the original attempt to dig up dirt on Trump, this was a Republican paid for effort. The Democrats took over the contract when Trump won the nomination. Up till then all the dirt on Trump came from public documents, even his dealings with the Russian plutocrats and Russian gangsters. Steele comes into the picture to fill out the details of this Russian influence, as he is an ex intelligence agent with lots of contacts in Russia. Of course the FBI is investigating Trump. He had a history of laundering money and had close contact with the Russian mob. This was public knowledge. I have to assume that the Feds had more than what was known publicly and had some knowledge of how deeply Trump was involved. An independent source then verifies what the Feds already know. Indictments follow and as Mueller gets closer, Trump and those that depend on him are now starting to panic. A known money launderer with known ties to Russians needing such a service, and we are surprised he is being investigated? Are we surprised at his attempt to make the investigation go away? A man who is a serial bankrupted and we wonder at his incompetence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonnot OG Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 2 hours ago, GAROVORKIN said: If your contemplating socialism as viable alternative to what you see as being wrong with capitalism. You might want to look at its historical record . Capitalism for all its faults, has so far proven to be. best system to date. lol no it has not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonnot OG Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Trump sycophant Republicans: The FBI, DOJ and FISA court are apart of the corrupt "deep state" and hate America so much that we can't trust them to have a basis for wiretapping American citizens in a national security investigation even when they have shown probable cause and get a warrant. Also Trump sychophant Republicans: The FBI and DOJ must have unlimited power to use warrantless wiretaps for national security investigations, and anyone suggesting there be even minimal safeguards put in place for that power clearly hates America and can't be trusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denstorebog Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 3 hours ago, GAROVORKIN said: If your contemplating socialism as viable alternative to what you see as being wrong with capitalism. You might want to look at its historical record . Capitalism for all its faults, has so far proven to be. best system to date. Have you tried actually living in one of the well-functioning Scandinavian socialist countries of today, with their unmatched support for health care, education, parental leave, welfare for the general population, clean environment, etc.? And their record-low rates of crime, political corruption and inequality? Oh, and higher quota of millionaires per citizen, in case you were going to resort to some silly argument about socialism quelling the opportunity for businesses and entrepreneurship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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