U.S. Politics: The Ideas of Mueller

[GAROVORKIN]

2 hours ago, Fez said:

That's not really true though. It used to be somewhat, but only really on economic issues. You should take a closer look at the right-wing is calling for in most democracies these days though; to call the Democratic party a part of that is the same nonsense as the "both parties are the same" tripe that some Americans go for.

Beyond that, on numerous social issues the Democratic party fits right in to the western left-wing political spectrum. And on some issues, such as abortion and gay marriage rights, the Democratic party supported them earlier and stronger than pretty much all the left-wing parties capable of winning elections.

The Democrats are becoming  less hospitable to moderates which, might make it difficult  for them in places like the Midwest.

[LongRider]

45 minutes ago, Crazy Cat Lady in Training said:

Which is why Bernie, who would probably be mainstream in any other country, is labeled a radical communist by the right. 

Berne also calls himself a 'Democratic Socialist', which of course, drives the right wild. 

[LongRider]

nm

[DanteGabriel]

10 minutes ago, LongRider said:

What does 'pulling too far to the left' actually mean?

Judging by Garovorkin's posts, being seriously concerned about Nazis is a fringe position.

[aceluby]

26 minutes ago, GAROVORKIN said:

The Democrats are becoming  less hospitable to moderates which, might make it difficult  for them in places like the Midwest.

This is a completely meaningless statement that has no basis in fact.

[GAROVORKIN]

22 minutes ago, DanteGabriel said:

Judging by Garovorkin's posts, being seriously concerned about Nazis is a fringe position.

Dante have you ever considered a career in unintentional stand  up comedy ? You so good at it.

[LongRider]

9 minutes ago, DanteGabriel said:

Judging by Garovorkin's posts, being seriously concerned about Nazis is a fringe position.

I deleted my post because I didn't realize it was made by the sea lion.   But, yeah, that and working to let all eligible citizens vote, damn lefties!

[GAROVORKIN]

13 minutes ago, aceluby said:

This is a completely meaningless statement that has no basis in fact.

 

You might want to take a look at what pew  pol has to say  on this  .

[GAROVORKIN]

4 minutes ago, LongRider said:

I deleted my post because I didn't realize it was made by the sea lion.   But, yeah, that and working to let all eligible citizens vote, damn lefties!

Im sorry , im but not responsible for the fact you have a very narrow perspective on things. 

[Larry of the Lawn]

39 minutes ago, GAROVORKIN said:

The Democrats are becoming  less hospitable to moderates which, might make it difficult  for them in places like the Midwest.

Are you aware of the recent special election in western Pennsylvania?

 

[GAROVORKIN]

13 minutes ago, larrytheimp said:

Are you aware of the recent special election in western Pennsylvania?

 

Based on the Pew pols Conservatives and Moderates have a bit of statical edge over liberals in the midwest which might be useful indicator here . As for the Pennsylvania election,  its worth noting that at one time Connor Lamb did run as a  Republican at one point which begs the question how closely he will actual tow the Democratic Party line?

[Ice Queen]

49 minutes ago, LongRider said:

Berne also calls himself a 'Democratic Socialist', which of course, drives the right wild. 

Like someone said, we really do like socialism. We just can't call it that. 

[Ice Queen]

6 minutes ago, GAROVORKIN said:

Based on the Pew pols Conservatives and Moderates have a bit of statical edge over liberals in the midwest  As for the Pennsylvania election its worth noting that at one time Connor Lamb did run as a  Republican at one point which begs the question how closely he will actual tow the Democratic Party line?

This is utter rubbish. He did NOT run as a Republican, but that's a nice try by Fox. I live there, I know what he ran on. 

He's an old school western Pennsylvania Democrat who comes from a very prominent western PA Democratic family. Republicans want to abolish the unions; Lamb united them behind him. Republicans want to overturn Roe v. Wade; Lamb has said that as a Catholic he personally opposes abortion, but doesn't want the law changed because it's for every woman to make her own choice.

Those are not even remotely Republican positions. 

He shoots guns, but in this part of the country, even liberals own and shoot guns. He does support expanded background checks. This one may come back to haunt him down the road, but for right now, he's okay. 

In other words, he's a moderate. This isn't New York or Boston or San Francisco. You can't run a liberal candidate here and win, and that's just reality. That doesn't mean they're not still Democrats. 

[The Marquis de Leech]

8 minutes ago, GAROVORKIN said:

Based on the Pew pols Conservatives and Moderates have a bit of statical edge over liberals in the midwest  As for the Pennsylvania election its worth noting that at one time Connor Lamb did run as a  Republican at one point which begs the question how closely he will actual tow the Democratic Party line?

Your statement was this:

The Democrats are becoming  less hospitable to moderates which, might make it difficult  for them in places like the Midwest.

If Democrats are so hostile to moderates, what on earth are they doing running Connor Lamb?

[Ice Queen]

Just now, Roose Boltons Pet Leech said:

Your statement was this:

The Democrats are becoming  less hospitable to moderates which, might make it difficult  for them in places like the Midwest.

If Democrats are so hostile to moderates, what on earth are they doing running Connor Lamb?

Exactly. He's not taking local politics and local issues into account. 

[DanteGabriel]

29 minutes ago, GAROVORKIN said:

Dante have you ever considered a career in unintentional stand  up comedy ? You so good at it.

I sure do seem to have a natural banter with a puppet with someone else's hand up its ass.

[LongRider]

5 minutes ago, Crazy Cat Lady in Training said:

He shoots guns, but in this part of the country, even liberals own and shoot guns.

I'm glad you mentioned this because liberals own and shoot guns in every state of the Union.  It's a ridiculous myth that they don't.

[Cas Stark]

4 minutes ago, LongRider said:

I'm glad you mentioned this because liberals own and shoot guns in every state of the Union.  It's a ridiculous myth that they don't.

According to Pew approximately 22% of gun owners identify as liberal and/or Democrats. 

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/07/15/the-demographics-and-politics-of-gun-owning-households/

[Ice Queen]

14 minutes ago, LongRider said:

I'm glad you mentioned this because liberals own and shoot guns in every state of the Union.  It's a ridiculous myth that they don't.

Yes. And both Democrats and Republicans alike are in favor of some form of gun control whether they own guns or not. Even Fox found that in their new poll (taken before the March for Our Lives).

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/25/fox-news-poll-voters-favor-gun-measures-doubt-congress-will-act.html

Full poll results here:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2018/03/25/fox-news-poll-results-325.html

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Voters prioritize protecting citizens from gun violence over protecting the rights of gun owners.  And while majorities support a variety of gun control proposals, the latest Fox News poll also finds doubt Congress will act -- or that it would make any difference if it does. 

By a 13-point margin, voters consider protecting against gun violence more important than protecting gun rights (53-40 percent).

In addition, there’s substantial support for specific measures to reduce gun violence, including: requiring criminal background checks on all gun buyers (91 percent), requiring mental health checks on all gun buyers (84 percent), raising the age to buy all guns to 21 (72 percent), putting armed guards in schools (69 percent), and banning assault rifles and semi-automatic weapons (60 percent).[/quote]

[Shryke]

2 hours ago, OldGimletEye said:

One thing I’ll add. Fact is most Americans like a bit o’ socialism. But whatever you do, don’t call it socialism. And whatever you do, obfuscate that you’re doing socialism. And I think the entire result ends up being that our spending and our programs are not efficiently designed as they could be. They probably could be improved if we were just a little more up front, that many of us actually like a bit of socialism.

Our healthcare system has been doing socialism for a long time, it’s just we like to hide it with a tax expenditure so we can say,”we’re not doing socialism! It’s tax cuts!” And of course, we end up with a variety of tax expenditures to hide the socialism.

Or another example. I’m not a real fan of how our GSE’s are structured. It would probably be a lot simpler, efficient, and desirable, just to give a equity grant to young and low income home buyers, than the government to guarantee the debt. But, the optics of doing that might look a little too socialist for some people’s taste.
 

The biggest problems with government programs in the US are the need to accommodate white supremacy and the american love of their myth of self-reliance that goes back beyond the founding of the damn country.